Time for FIFA to do something about this.
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From: Bruce D. Scott on 16 May 2010 12:22 Jim Goloboy (jim.goloboy(a)gmail.com) wrote: : He was a starter in the 1998 WC, and a regular until 2002 when he : played poorly in the pre-WC friendlies and lost his spot to Hejduk. He : still went to Korea but did not make an appearance. : Certainly not "one or three caps, and then that was it". OK I stand corrected. I watched all three of the 1998 WC matches. He must have been invisible. I do remember Frankie against Germany however. It was his header that Koepke made the big save on. -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Jim Goloboy on 16 May 2010 12:27 On May 16, 11:12 am, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: > Jim Goloboy (jim.golo...(a)gmail.com) wrote: > > : Ibisevic never had citizenship and only lived here a couple years, I > : don't think you can say he spent most of his development here. Subotic > : (discovered by USA U-17 coaches in a park) is much worse. > > I thought Ibisevic lived in the US from ages 10-17 roughly, no? He came to the US when he was 16 and lived here for about three years. Would have been several years from citizenship when he started playing for Bosnia. > : Other guys would be Bakary Soumare, Shalrie Joseph, and Ramon Nunez. > : Espen Baardsen spurned the US back in the 90's to represent Norway. > > These I haven't heard of. Soumare--Came to the US from France at 14/15, played here for about 10 years until being sold to a French team last year. Was interested in playing for the US but after learning he was still a few years from citizenship eligibility decided to represent Mali. Started two matches for them at the ACN this year. Joseph--Dwight Beers' favorite player. Moved from Grenada to NYC at 15. Plays for Grenada, IIRC has said that he regrets committing to them at a young age. Nunez--Born in Honduras, came to the US very young but for reasons I'm not sure of never obtained citizenship. Certainly would have played for US youth teams. Was a disappointment in MLS but had more success in Mexico and will go to the WC with Honduras.
From: El Kot on 27 May 2010 17:20 Karamako wrote: > Abubakr wrote: >> Regulations need to come in to stop established professionals from >> changing nationalities. One way to do this would be to have any player >> registering a professional contract nominate his/her nationality and >> that nationality stays with the player for life and cannot be changed. >> This still allows juniors to choose between countries that they would >> like to represent in international football but it stops third rate >> (and at time even first and second rate) Brazilians and the odd >> Argentine from playing for the likes of Croatia, Portugal, Germany, >> Italy etc... > > They should do as in rugby, a player can play for " > the country in which: > > (a) he was born; or > (b) one parent or grandparent was born; or > (c) he has completed thirty six consecutive months of Residence immediately > preceding the time of playing." > > and get rid of this question of nationality. A football team doesn't > "represent" a nationality. Quite agree. This is a very sensible position; I'd like to see the same in football. People should be free to move, work and live where they chose, and play for the host country if their native country has no need for them. Everything else is totalitarian nonsense. -- No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
From: El Kot on 27 May 2010 17:25 MH wrote: > Abubakr wrote: >> Regulations need to come in to stop established professionals from >> changing nationalities. One way to do this would be to have any player >> registering a professional contract nominate his/her nationality and >> that nationality stays with the player for life and cannot be changed. > > That is a little draconian, as they are signing professional contracts > at 17 or 18, and have no idea at that point how their careers, > marriages, etc. are going to develop. > >> This still allows juniors to choose between countries that they would >> like to represent in international football but it stops third rate >> (and at time even first and second rate) Brazilians and the odd >> Argentine from playing for the likes of Croatia, Portugal, Germany, >> Italy etc... > > How is this a problem? It doesn't weaken Brazil or Argentina > substantially, and only strengthens the other teams a tiny amount. > > I would be more concerned (as Bruce points out in another post) about > the potential for developing football countries losing potential star > players, who end up sitting on the bench for one of the bigger teams. > There must be dozens of players with only a handful of caps for France, > the Netherlands, or England, for example, that could have made a real > impact with Senegal, Jamaica, Surinam, Trinidad, Ivory coast, Morocco, > etc. etc. > > I think the FIFA rules are fine as they are: they recognize that players > can and do have multiple national identities,and they don't make > decisions made at an early age (eg. to play U20) irrevocable. On the > other hand, they do force adult players to make one final choice about > which country to play for. And that's not good. Why should they make one choice? They should be able to change as often as needed. Given that the active playing time in soccer is not that long, compared to some other lesser sports, it won't be too often. > If a 30 year old Brazilian has lived in Belgium for 10 years, playing > all his football there, has become a Belgian citizen through marriage > and naturalization, and has never been called into a Brazil squad, I > can't see what earthly objection anyone could have to his playing for > Belgium. Exactly. Although I feel that the residency requirement should be lowered. One year seems quite adequate to me. -- No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
From: MH on 28 May 2010 11:56
El Kot wrote: > MH wrote: >> Abubakr wrote: >>> Regulations need to come in to stop established professionals from >>> changing nationalities. One way to do this would be to have any player >>> registering a professional contract nominate his/her nationality and >>> that nationality stays with the player for life and cannot be changed. >> >> That is a little draconian, as they are signing professional contracts >> at 17 or 18, and have no idea at that point how their careers, >> marriages, etc. are going to develop. >> >>> This still allows juniors to choose between countries that they would >>> like to represent in international football but it stops third rate >>> (and at time even first and second rate) Brazilians and the odd >>> Argentine from playing for the likes of Croatia, Portugal, Germany, >>> Italy etc... >> >> How is this a problem? It doesn't weaken Brazil or Argentina >> substantially, and only strengthens the other teams a tiny amount. >> >> I would be more concerned (as Bruce points out in another post) about >> the potential for developing football countries losing potential star >> players, who end up sitting on the bench for one of the bigger teams. >> There must be dozens of players with only a handful of caps for >> France, the Netherlands, or England, for example, that could have made >> a real impact with Senegal, Jamaica, Surinam, Trinidad, Ivory coast, >> Morocco, etc. etc. >> >> I think the FIFA rules are fine as they are: they recognize that >> players can and do have multiple national identities,and they don't >> make decisions made at an early age (eg. to play U20) irrevocable. On >> the other hand, they do force adult players to make one final choice >> about which country to play for. > > And that's not good. Why should they make one choice? They should be > able to change as often as needed. Given that the active playing time in > soccer is not that long, compared to some other lesser sports, it won't > be too often. > > >> If a 30 year old Brazilian has lived in Belgium for 10 years, playing >> all his football there, has become a Belgian citizen through marriage >> and naturalization, and has never been called into a Brazil squad, I >> can't see what earthly objection anyone could have to his playing for >> Belgium. > > Exactly. Although I feel that the residency requirement should be > lowered. One year seems quite adequate to me. > One year seems very short. Are there any countries that allow immigrants to become citizens after a residence period of only one year? In most cases that I am aware of, it is 3 to 5 years of residency after becoming a permanent resident - even if you have married a citizen. |