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From: Insane Ranter on 6 Mar 2010 15:14 Will be able to enjoy the games over the horns??
From: Joachim Parsch on 6 Mar 2010 15:28 milivella schrieb: > Indeed refreshing the list of first time finalists is quite > interesting: > > 1930: 2 = Uruguay, Argentina > 1934: 2 = Italy, Czechoslovakia > 1938: 1 = Hungary > 1950: 1 = Brazil > 1954: 1 = West Germany > 1958: 1 = Sweden > 1962: 0 > 1966: 1 = England > 1970: 0 > 1974: 1 = Netherlands > 1978: 0 > 1982: 0 > 1986: 0 > 1990: 0 > 1994: 0 > 1998: 1 = France > 2002: 0 > 2006: 0 > > [I here assume that Germany = West Germany.] > > I.e. only in the second edition there were two first time finalists > (and of course in the first edition!). In the last 8 editions, just > one first timer. Cool, Trivia time :-) Here's some more: obviously experience is underrated when considering the chances to reach a WC final. The last WC final, where there was no player on the field who had that special experience before was 1994. Before that, we have to go back to 1966 to find a final with 22 newcomers. Also in that category: the finals of 30, 50, 54, 58, all in all just 6 of the 18 finals (in 34, some Italians had in 1930 played for Argentina, quite possibly the source of the currentFIFA rule, that you have to choose once, for which country you want to play). > It would be nice to check if you pick x teams (they are now 198, but > of course a lot less in the first editions... let's say 100?) and you > pick 2 out of them 18 times, what the results are. I.e. how much > inequal the WC is? [Daniele, have I to call your name loud or are you > able to read between the lines? ;) ] You mean the probability, that only once there were two newcomers, given a random draw? It's low :-) Joachim
From: MH on 6 Mar 2010 16:04 Enzo wrote: > On Mar 6, 7:04 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>On Mar 6, 1:56 am, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>The side that I am real interested to see is Serbia. They are quietly >>>winning everything. They are now at #13, having jumped 6 spots >>>in Feb/March. The other 2 teams with comparable jumps are >>>Slovakia and Slovenia, both of them also in the WC. I tip >>>one of these 3 to make the semifinals ( like Croatia in 98 ). >> >>I'm not sold on Slovakia and Slovenia, however like you say, Serbia >>are being ignored probably because no one has heard their name. Most >>people automatically picked Germany and Ghana out of that group. Why >>is Ghana automatically better than Serbia? > > > Australia and Ghana are in big trouble. > > Serbia are at their highest FIFA ranking ever. 4 years ago, they were > 50th. > Now they are 13th; they first hit 13th in April 2009, and have been in > the > top 20 since then, coming back to 13th in March 2010 with a 6-position > jump from Feb. > > Back in 2006 they reached a low in the group of death as Serbia- > Montenegro. > The team was disbanded, Montenegro got independence and Javier > Clemente > from Euskadi arrived to take charge of the team. He couldnt do much > and in came > Radomir Antic, the former Barca, Atl�tico and RM boss; he has guided > them > superbly into the world's elite and the team is peaking at the right > time. > > A key feature of Antic's side during qualifying was their defensive > strength - Yes but that was also true in 2006. They topped their group ahead of Spain, conceding only 1 goal in the process, and not losing a game (in a group with Spain, Bosnia and Belgium, that was pretty good) . I sort of fancied them as an outsider in 2006, but they didn't get lucky with the draw and disintegrated. I think people are underestimating them this time precisely because it looks like a repeat of last time. Also because they didn't look that strong against a ten man France. > shipping a miserly eight goals in ten matches. Branislav Ivanovic > (Chelsea) > and Nemanja Vidic (Man U) were the foundation on which the > rock-solid backline was built The midfield is built around the > experience of > Stankovic. Up front is the underrated giant Zigic who has scored 13 > in 19 > for Racing this season, Pantelic ( who left Hertha in tatters ) and > Jovanovic ( > established star for Standard Liege in the newly strong Belgian > league ). > > Other top players are Genoa playmaker Bosko Jankovic and Milos Krasic > of Ciska Moscow. If Serbia does well, look for a lot of these players > to > sign bigtime contracts in the summer ( Jovanovic is already signed > with > L'pool ). > > Serbia are also a very tall side and unlikely to be fazed by super- > tough Ghana > and the Socceroos.
From: MH on 6 Mar 2010 16:12 milivella wrote: > Mark: > > >>On Mar 5, 11:17 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I beleive the last first time finalist was in 1978? >> >>Argentina played Holland that year. Both of them had reached the final >>before. > > > Indeed refreshing the list of first time finalists is quite > interesting: > > 1930: 2 = Uruguay, Argentina > 1934: 2 = Italy, Czechoslovakia > 1938: 1 = Hungary > 1950: 1 = Brazil Not true, there WAS no final in 1950, it was a group stage. It was only a coincidence that the top two teams met in the final round. > 1954: 1 = West Germany > 1958: 1 = Sweden Sweden and Brazil. > 1962: 0 > 1966: 1 = England > 1970: 0 > 1974: 1 = Netherlands > 1978: 0 > 1982: 0 > 1986: 0 > 1990: 0 > 1994: 0 > 1998: 1 = France > 2002: 0 Germany as opposed to W. Germany if you want to be precise. > 2006: 0 > > [I here assume that Germany = West Germany.] Noted. > > I.e. only in the second edition there were two first time finalists > (and of course in the first edition!). And in 1958 In the last 8 editions, just > one first timer. > > It would be nice to check if you pick x teams (they are now 198, but > of course a lot less in the first editions... let's say 100?) and you > pick 2 out of them 18 times, what the results are. I.e. how much > inequal the WC is? [Daniele, have I to call your name loud or are you > able to read between the lines? ;) ] > > -- > Cheers > milivella
From: Mark on 7 Mar 2010 04:07
On Mar 6, 9:12 pm, MH <nos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > milivella wrote: > > Indeed refreshing the list of first time finalists is quite > > interesting: > > > 1930: 2 = Uruguay, Argentina > > 1934: 2 = Italy, Czechoslovakia > > 1938: 1 = Hungary > > 1950: 1 = Brazil > > Not true, there WAS no final in 1950, it was a group stage. It was only > a coincidence that the top two teams met in the final round. > > > 1954: 1 = West Germany > > 1958: 1 = Sweden > > Sweden and Brazil. > Yes, but Uruguay and Brazil were the champions and runners-up in 1950. Your point would only really be relevant if Uruguay had lost and Sweden or Spain had finished runners-up to Brazil. |