From: Enzo on
On Mar 5, 10:32 pm, Lleo <lleo...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
> On 4 mar, 23:51, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 8:40 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It seems like RSS has weauxfed the living daylights out of Brazil and
> > > Spain over the last few months, just like we had done with Argentina
> > > and France in 2002 and Brazil and their Fab 5 in 2006. So I am almost
> > > convinced that neither of these teams will reach the final, much less
> > > win the cup.
> > > Also, the "this may finally be Africa's cup" has gone overboard.
> > > Therefore it is almost guaranteed that all their teams will implode,
> > > with Eto'o and Drogba throwing some hissy fits against their coaches
> > > and SA going out in the group phase with their coach and some
> > > Scandanavian referee having to be placed under military protection.
> > > Next England, who had already been weauxfed out a year ago by their
> > > tabloids, as well as Jellore and Higgs.
> > > Holland will never win the WC in their entire existence so that leaves
> > > the usual boring suspects, i.e. Italy, Germany, France, and
> > > Argentina.
> > > To get to the semi's, Lippi will probably resort to catenaccio against
> > > Brazil and Spain and eliminate both on penalties after 0-0 draws
> > > (followed by Benny denouncing all allegations of catenaccio by saying
> > > that we are biased and out of touch). Germany will probably get a key
> > > goal every game from Klose and see out the rest of the game like
> > > robots and advance. Freakshows Maradona and Domenech will probably
> > > pull some unbelievable luck out of their behinds and advance to the
> > > SFs (god save us from Bob then).
> > > After that, it's a random crapshoot. I predict that either Italy or
> > > Argentina will win the cup.
>
> > Nothing of this sort will happen. The top teams are now even
> > more isolated at the top than in recent world cups. Brasil has
> > not lost a game in ages, Spain is close by. Since Spain will
> > not win two major tournaments in succession, and since the
> > only other outfit that can challenge Brasil ( England ) will probably
> > fail a pk contest somewhere down the line, I think the conclusion
> > is foregone.
>
> I think so too but my conclusion is different than yours. I think this
> will be Argentina's cup. They have an easy enough first round group to
> fine-tune the rougher edges (like Brasil in 2002?) and when they
> click, it'll be plain sailing. After all, this is a cup, you may need
> no more than a decent squad with one or two great players to carry you
> all the way, as Argentina itself has demonstrated in 1986. Sure, Messi
> is not Maradona, but he doesn't really need to be.
>
> OTOH, although things look good for Brasil right now, it wouldn't
> surprise me to see a first round exit here (like Argentina in 2002?).
> It's a very even group, if it comes down to goal difference both
> Portugal and Ivory Coast will play NK after us, and that is ruling out
> the Asian upset. Or maybe we lose to one and draw the other for an
> 1-1-1 record, usually only good enough for 3rd place. I think it's a
> pity, because that would throw all the good work of Dunga down the
> toilet, and he would be even more reviled here.
>
> As for the others, well, I suppose everyone has a fair shot. Maybe
> Italy can stop the Argentinians, but I'm not really betting on it.
>
> --
> Lléo

You can weaufx all you want. Brasil has a lightweight group and
will get stronger as the tournament progresses. I am thinking this
will be the first final game since 1970 with 4 goals scored by the
winners.
From: Futbolmetrix on

"milivella" <milivella(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:548ede7d-f146-4e5f-902a-7695e5b89191(a)19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
> milivella:
>
>> 2. This team never wins! OK, I know that the favorite can't always
>> win, but how many chances there are that it wins 0 out of 12
>> tournaments?
>
> Actually 10, sorry.

Well, it depends on how strong of a favorite they were. My simulations based
on the ELO ratings gave France roughly a 27% chance of winning in 2002, but
Brazil only a 12% chance of winning in 2006. Let's say that those are the
upper and lower bounds for the strength of the favorite. Then, the
probability that the favorite will not win even once out of 10 tournaments
can be anywhere between 3% and 34%.

D



From: Futbolmetrix on
"Lleo" <lleo_lm(a)lycos.com> wrote in message
news:bb008104-12ad-4e80-818b-b2a935942b82(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...

> As for the others, well, I suppose everyone has a fair shot. Maybe
> Italy can stop the Argentinians, but I'm not really betting on it.

You are overestimating Italy by a large amount. A quarterfinal spot for the
azzurri will be an achievement.

D


From: higgs on
On Mar 5, 7:40 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> It seems like RSS has weauxfed the living daylights out of Brazil and
> Spain over the last few months, just like we had done with Argentina
> and France in 2002 and Brazil and their Fab 5 in 2006. So I am almost
> convinced that neither of these teams will reach the final, much less
> win the cup.
> Also, the "this may finally be Africa's cup" has gone overboard.
> Therefore it is almost guaranteed that all their teams will implode,
> with Eto'o and Drogba throwing some hissy fits against their coaches
> and SA going out in the group phase with their coach and some
> Scandanavian referee having to be placed under military protection.
> Next England, who had already been weauxfed out a year ago by their
> tabloids, as well as Jellore and Higgs.

And I'd like to see you point me to a single post where I've claimed
England will win the World Cup.
From: Google Beta User on
On Mar 6, 1:56 am, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> The side that I am real interested to see is Serbia. They are quietly
> winning everything. They are now at #13, having jumped 6 spots
> in Feb/March. The other 2 teams with comparable jumps are
> Slovakia and Slovenia, both of them also in the WC. I tip
> one of these 3 to make the semifinals ( like Croatia in 98 ).

I'm not sold on Slovakia and Slovenia, however like you say, Serbia
are being ignored probably because no one has heard their name. Most
people automatically picked Germany and Ghana out of that group. Why
is Ghana automatically better than Serbia?


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