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From: JK on 5 Mar 2010 13:27 MH wrote: > > > 1994 - ??/ I remember hype surrounding Colombia, and of course Brazil. > There were high expectations of Italy, Germany and NL too. Brazil. > 1998 - Brazil by a mile. They were champions, absolutely devastating at > Copa America 1997, and had Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Denilson etc. etc. > Brazil > 2002 - Argentina and France probably in reverse order. And, yawn, Brazil. > > 2006 - Brazil ? I would think so. Defnitely.
From: Alkamista on 5 Mar 2010 13:29 On Mar 5, 5:04 am, Clément <lcmello.lis...(a)terra.com.br> wrote: > On Mar 5, 2:11 am, Alkamista wrote: > > > > > It's a cup, not a league. And it's not even two-legged in the > > knockouts. Any one of 6-7 teams can win it. We've heard the same > > invincible argument many times in the past, and not least in '06. The > > only other times post-WWII that the 100% clear pre-tourney favorite > > won it was in '70 and 74' (to be clear, I dont mean a bookie favorite, > > I mean an overwhelming favorite). > > Was Brazil seen as such an overwhelming favorite in '70? At least > domestically, there were a lot of doubts hanging over the team (which > is ridiculous in hindsight, but true). Really? Many many moons ago I saw this great documentary called "Giants of Brazil". It was a history of football in your country starting from the early roots and culminating with a particular emphasis on the build-up to and victory of 1970. From what I remember, Brazil were in scintillating form just prior, with Pele at his peak and Tostao averaging almost a goal every game. Then there were the other nuts like Rivelino, Gerson, Carlos Alberto, and Jairzinho, etc. Now this may just have been the film-making hype or my hazy memory, but all indications in that documentary were that Brazil had the football world shaking in their boots at the start of the tournament, and for good reason, as history proved. So is your recollection different? Can you shed some light?
From: FF on 5 Mar 2010 14:30 Alkamista wrote: > On Mar 4, 8:51 pm, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Mar 4, 8:40 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > It seems like RSS has weauxfed the living daylights out of Brazil and > > > Spain over the last few months, just like we had done with Argentina > > > and France in 2002 and Brazil and their Fab 5 in 2006. So I am almost > > > convinced that neither of these teams will reach the final, much less > > > win the cup. > > > Also, the "this may finally be Africa's cup" has gone overboard. > > > Therefore it is almost guaranteed that all their teams will implode, > > > with Eto'o and Drogba throwing some hissy fits against their coaches > > > and SA going out in the group phase with their coach and some > > > Scandanavian referee having to be placed under military protection. > > > Next England, who had already been weauxfed out a year ago by their > > > tabloids, as well as Jellore and Higgs. > > > Holland will never win the WC in their entire existence so that leaves > > > the usual boring suspects, i.e. Italy, Germany, France, and > > > Argentina. > > > To get to the semi's, Lippi will probably resort to catenaccio against > > > Brazil and Spain and eliminate both on penalties after 0-0 draws > > > (followed by Benny denouncing all allegations of catenaccio by saying > > > that we are biased and out of touch). Germany will probably get a key > > > goal every game from Klose and see out the rest of the game like > > > robots and advance. Freakshows Maradona and Domenech will probably > > > pull some unbelievable luck out of their behinds and advance to the > > > SFs (god save us from Bob then). > > > After that, it's a random crapshoot. I predict that either Italy or > > > Argentina will win the cup. > > > > Nothing of this sort will happen. The top teams are now even > > more isolated at the top than in recent world cups. Brasil has > > not lost a game in ages, Spain is close by. Since Spain will > > not win two major tournaments in succession, Who knows ? Besides, the Euro is *not* a major tournament. If anything, Spain probably views that win as good practice for the real thing. I'd say Spain are in better shape now than they were at the Euro, and probably will be even better come the WCup. Provided they don't have major health problems. (A bit more food fore those weauxf gods, heh ?) > > and since the > > only other outfit that can challenge Brasil ( England ) will probably > > fail a pk contest somewhere down the line, I think the conclusion > > is foregone. > > It's a cup, not a league. And it's not even two-legged in the > knockouts. Any one of 6-7 teams can win it. While this is certainly true, I think Brazil and Spain combined do have a good shot this time. > We've heard the same > invincible argument many times in the past, and not least in '06. Yes but in 06 Parreira acted like a clown and bowed to public pressure and kept fat Ronaldo in the team, as well as Adriano who IIRC was in terrible shape. Something similar happened to Argentina as well, I still can't believe Pekerman took Riquelme out when they were leading Germany 1 - 0. I'd hope (and trust) that neither Dunga nor Del Bosque will do such stupidities, they know better than that.
From: JK on 5 Mar 2010 15:02 Alkamista wrote: > On Mar 5, 5:04 am, Cl�ment <lcmello.lis...(a)terra.com.br> wrote: >> On Mar 5, 2:11 am, Alkamista wrote: >> >> >> >>> It's a cup, not a league. And it's not even two-legged in the >>> knockouts. Any one of 6-7 teams can win it. We've heard the same >>> invincible argument many times in the past, and not least in '06. The >>> only other times post-WWII that the 100% clear pre-tourney favorite >>> won it was in '70 and 74' (to be clear, I dont mean a bookie favorite, >>> I mean an overwhelming favorite). >> Was Brazil seen as such an overwhelming favorite in '70? At least >> domestically, there were a lot of doubts hanging over the team (which >> is ridiculous in hindsight, but true). > > Really? FWIW it's worth, I've also always heard this, that folks back in Brazil were somewhat anxious of the team's chances before WC '70. Kind of speaks to the theory that it's possible to overthink these things and if you look at anything long enough you'll start to see faults. Many many moons ago I saw this great documentary called > "Giants of Brazil". It was a history of football in your country > starting from the early roots and culminating with a particular > emphasis on the build-up to and victory of 1970. From what I remember, > Brazil were in scintillating form just prior, with Pele at his peak > and Tostao averaging almost a goal every game. Then there were the > other nuts like Rivelino, Gerson, Carlos Alberto, and Jairzinho, etc. > Now this may just have been the film-making hype or my hazy memory, > but all indications in that documentary were that Brazil had the > football world shaking in their boots at the start of the tournament, > and for good reason, as history proved. > > So is your recollection different? Can you shed some light?
From: MH on 5 Mar 2010 14:47
JK wrote: > MH wrote: > >> >> >> 1994 - ??/ I remember hype surrounding Colombia, and of course Brazil. >> There were high expectations of Italy, Germany and NL too. > > > Brazil. > > >> 1998 - Brazil by a mile. They were champions, absolutely devastating >> at Copa America 1997, and had Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Denilson etc. etc. >> > Brazil > >> 2002 - Argentina and France probably in reverse order. > > > And, yawn, Brazil. > \ Disagree on that one. Brazil scraped qualification in what 4th ? place and had not had brilliant results in the run in. It was not clear that Ronaldo would recover, and Ronaldinho was a bit of a wildcard. >> >> 2006 - Brazil ? I would think so. > > > Defnitely. |