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From: Bruce D. Scott on 14 Jun 2010 11:41
Sven Mischkies (hsv83(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:

: Pfff.... Of course the greatest match of all time is still the Match
: of the Century.

: WC1970: Ger 3 - 4 Ita aet.

I totally agree. This match may never be equalled, as much of the
drama came from the extreme exhaustion of the players. Nobody could
play defense in the extra session and the goals were scrappy.
Nevertheless, as a match it is unapproachable. Nowadays, players are
fit enough that the extra time is more closed.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Bruce D. Scott on 14 Jun 2010 14:21
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment?= (lcmello.listas(a)terra.com.br) wrote:
: On Jun 14, 5:18 am, Patrick Texier wrote:
: >
: > I prefer 1982 semi-final France-RFA 3-3 aet. pen 4-5

For me that's the second all time, but...

: That's one match that has to be forever engraved in the minds of those
: who watched it. Personally, that was the match that made me, a 7-year
: old boy then, a French NT fan up to this day.

: It began with the 2nd stage match against Northern Ireland, which I
: watched with my father and during which he told me all the stories
: about the great 1958 French team, Just Fontaine etc. (France won 4-1
: that day, in an almost perfect repeat of both team's 1958 quarterfinal
: clash, won by France 4-0).

: By the semifinals, when my heart was already broken by Paolo Rossi, I
: had a second favorite team to support - just to have my heart broken
: again, of course. But it was too late, I was hooked. And such
: heartbreaks probably only strengthen the bond.

Yes I also saw this during my first ever World Cup (I missed the 70s
because I didn't know enough). It was the match that made me a Germany
fan. Never say die. Immer immer weiter.

About the Schumacher incident... I didn't see that and the whole thing
went over my head. The telecasts were on "Soccer Made in Germany" and
were 1-hour telescopes. So I only saw the overtime and the penalties
beyond the highlights of the goals that made it 1-1.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Binder Dundat on 14 Jun 2010 15:40
On Jun 14, 11:41 am, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> Sven Mischkies (hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:
>
> : Pfff.... Of course the greatest match of all time is still the Match
> : of the Century.
>
> : WC1970: Ger 3 - 4 Ita aet.
>
> I totally agree.   This match may never be equalled, as much of the
> drama came from the extreme exhaustion of the players.  Nobody could
> play defense in the extra session and the goals were scrappy.
> Nevertheless, as a match it is unapproachable.  Nowadays, players are
> fit enough that the extra time is more closed.


For some reason everyone seems to think this is the greatest match of
all time?
It was a poor match actually. Italy scored 1st held on for 89 minutes
playing with all sorts of time wasting and diving tactics. Germany
scored in the last minute. Only the extra time was good, or bad
depending on what you think of sloppy tired players playing in the mid
day heat of Mexico giving up 5 goals in under 30 minutes..

> --
> ciao,
> Bruce
>
> drift wave turbulence:  http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

From: Jack Hollis on 14 Jun 2010 17:39
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Binder Dundat
<dundat(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>For some reason everyone seems to think this is the greatest match of
>all time?

Not me. The greatest match of all time was Italy-Brazil 1982.
From: KaiserD2 on 14 Jun 2010 18:11
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:21:27 +0000 (UTC), bds(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de
(Bruce D. Scott) wrote:

>=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment?= (lcmello.listas(a)terra.com.br) wrote:
>: On Jun 14, 5:18 am, Patrick Texier wrote:
>: >
>: > I prefer 1982 semi-final France-RFA 3-3 aet. pen 4-5
>
>For me that's the second all time, but...
>
>: That's one match that has to be forever engraved in the minds of those
>: who watched it. Personally, that was the match that made me, a 7-year
>: old boy then, a French NT fan up to this day.
>
>: It began with the 2nd stage match against Northern Ireland, which I
>: watched with my father and during which he told me all the stories
>: about the great 1958 French team, Just Fontaine etc. (France won 4-1
>: that day, in an almost perfect repeat of both team's 1958 quarterfinal
>: clash, won by France 4-0).
>
>: By the semifinals, when my heart was already broken by Paolo Rossi, I
>: had a second favorite team to support - just to have my heart broken
>: again, of course. But it was too late, I was hooked. And such
>: heartbreaks probably only strengthen the bond.
>
>Yes I also saw this during my first ever World Cup (I missed the 70s
>because I didn't know enough). It was the match that made me a Germany
>fan. Never say die. Immer immer weiter.
>
>About the Schumacher incident... I didn't see that and the whole thing
>went over my head. The telecasts were on "Soccer Made in Germany" and
>were 1-hour telescopes. So I only saw the overtime and the penalties
>beyond the highlights of the goals that made it 1-1.

Yikes. How that match could make you root for Germany is beyond me.
France were clearly the better team and Schumacher nearly killed
(literally) a French player and escaped with no foul when he should
have been red-carded and a penalty awarded. Plus two Frenchmen were
obviously fouled to make the Germans' critical second goal happen.

I remember well that "Soccer made in Germany" was very careful NOT
to show Schumacher breaking Battiston's jaw. I was very disappointed
in them.

DK
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