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From: MH on
Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Robert Nicholson <robert.nicholson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He thinks he'll play in the final if they get there and he probably
>> will but I'd be in favour of expelling players from the tournament to
>> discourage play like that.
>
>
> Yes, he should get a two match ban. Not that it matters, without him
> Uruguay will lose the semi.
>
> To those who say that a handball on the line shouldn't result in a pen
> and red card - today's example shows why it MUST be both. Always.

Yes, if it is clearly a deliberate handball. My problem is the grey
areas - surely nobody equates Kewell's red card with Su�rez's ?



>
> However, a generally better solution would be to just call it a goal and
> give a yellow to the handballer - I just can't see that being
> implemented.

I can't either - the rules are written in such a way that assuming a
goal is impossible (eg. if it hits the referee, or the ball is destroyed
by an outside force etc.).
>
> Ciao,
> SM
From: HASM on
Robert Nicholson <robert.nicholson(a)gmail.com> writes:

> He thinks he'll play in the final if they get there and he probably will
> but I'd be in favour of expelling players from the tournament to
> discourage play like that.

Football has laws and breaking each law has its own consequences. Suarez
will get a one or two game suspension, which is the prescribed consequence.

Players take gambles when they commit fouls through the game, and this is
no different. He traded in a certain defeat for a red card, a one or two
game suspension, on an approximate 30% bet that Ghana would miss the PK.

-- HASM



From: Werner Pichler on
On 3 Jul., 00:03, hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) wrote:
> Robert Nicholson <robert.nichol...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > He thinks he'll play in the final if they get there and he probably
> > will but I'd be in favour of expelling players from the tournament to
> > discourage play like that.
>
> Yes, he should get a two match ban. Not that it matters, without him
> Uruguay will lose the semi.
>
> To those who say that a handball on the line shouldn't result in a pen
> and red card - today's example shows why it MUST be both. Always.
>
> However, a generally better solution would be to just call it a goal and
> give a yellow to the handballer - I just can't see that being
> implemented.


It's bad enough that some goals are not counted despite the ball
having crossed the line. The last thing I want for football is goals
being counted without the ball having crossed the line.

Ciao,
Werner
From: Clément on
"Robert Nicholson" escreveu:
> He thinks he'll play in the final if they get there and he probably
> will

Uruguay have to beat the Netherlands first!

> but I'd be in favour of expelling players from the tournament to
> discourage play like that.

Maybe, but then suspensions awarded to worse offenses (such as violent
fouls) would have to be escalated as well. Fine by me, as long as the
criteria are clear.

> It's simply not right that Ghana lost because of that.

Actually, Ghana lost because Gyan failed to convert the ensuing penalty, and
because a couple of other players also missed their shots during the
shootout.

> Having said that I think Diego Forlan is one of the players of the
> tournament and I have imense respect for his work ethic and I'm
> pleased to see him continue in the tournament.

Agreed.


Abra�o,

Luiz Mello

From: Diabolik on

"MH" <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:i0lq6p$r2r$1(a)news.ucalgary.ca...
> Sven Mischkies wrote:
>> Robert Nicholson <robert.nicholson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> He thinks he'll play in the final if they get there and he probably
>>> will but I'd be in favour of expelling players from the tournament to
>>> discourage play like that.
>>
>>
>> Yes, he should get a two match ban. Not that it matters, without him
>> Uruguay will lose the semi.
>>
>> To those who say that a handball on the line shouldn't result in a pen
>> and red card - today's example shows why it MUST be both. Always.
>
> Yes, if it is clearly a deliberate handball. My problem is the grey
> areas - surely nobody equates Kewell's red card with Su�rez's ?

What grey areas? There's no grey areas.

Either it's deliberate or it isn't. The ref is the judge of it.

Kewell's was deliberate, even though he thinks it wasn't, so it was a red
card.

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