Suarez, cheater or heros ?
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From: ixion martin - GdBx on 3 Jul 2010 13:56 MH a pens� tr�s fort : > SHUSSBAR wrote: >> Suarez vs. Henry : >> >> Both used their hands >> Both used their hands : one to get some help to control the >> ball that >> lead to a goal, the other one to get some help to stop a >> ball that >> prevented a goal. >> At the end, it can be be argued that they both prevented >> another team >> to advance further in the competition. >> >> Question : should pizza hut in Ghana give free pizza >> anytime a >> Netherlands scores vs. Uruguay? > > Not quite identical situations, because Henry was risking > very little (worst consequences a whistle and yellow card) > whereas Su�rez, if he thought about it all, would have known > it was a penalty and red card. Do you think both players really thought about the consequences (for them, not for the team) of their acts ? -- Ixion Contre une �quipe �trang�re, quand on dit diplomatiquement que l'arbitre n'est pas dans un bon soir, c'est toujours le club fran�ais qui morfle.
From: ixion martin - GdBx on 3 Jul 2010 13:58 Evan Kirshenbaum a expos� le 03/07/2010 : > SHUSSBAR <shussbar(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> Suarez vs. Henry : >> >> Both used their hands >> Both used their hands : one to get some help to control the >> ball that lead to a goal, the other one to get some help to >> stop a ball that prevented a goal. >> At the end, it can be be argued that they both prevented >> another team to advance further in the competition. > > To my mind, there's a huge difference that makes one cheating > (or at least damn lucky) and the other simply good clean > tactics. To my mind, it's not cheating if (1) you don't > attempt to injure someone and (2) you don't try to hide it Did you notice the face of Suarez when the referee showed him the red card ? "What ? Me ? But what did I do ?" ROTFL. -- Ixion Contre une �quipe �trang�re, quand on dit diplomatiquement que l'arbitre n'est pas dans un bon soir, c'est toujours le club fran�ais qui morfle.
From: Bob on 3 Jul 2010 16:37 Bruce D. Scott wrote: > I'm really sick of all the French sour grapes in this World Cup. Your > team not only sucked but brought disgrace and disrepute to your > national organisation. The worst anti-ambassadors one could wish > for. The worst sorry poor losers I've ever seen. Henry, Evra, > Anelka, good riddance and disappear out of our sight. LOL isn't it a little early for drinking?
From: MH on 3 Jul 2010 18:41 ixion martin - GdBx wrote: > MH a pens� tr�s fort : >> SHUSSBAR wrote: >>> Suarez vs. Henry : >>> >>> Both used their hands >>> Both used their hands : one to get some help to control the ball that >>> lead to a goal, the other one to get some help to stop a ball that >>> prevented a goal. >>> At the end, it can be be argued that they both prevented another team >>> to advance further in the competition. >>> >>> Question : should pizza hut in Ghana give free pizza anytime a >>> Netherlands scores vs. Uruguay? >> >> Not quite identical situations, because Henry was risking very little >> (worst consequences a whistle and yellow card) whereas Su�rez, if he >> thought about it all, would have known it was a penalty and red card. > > Do you think both players really thought about the consequences (for > them, not for the team) of their acts ? Probably not. No time for philosophical reflections in those situations. >
From: Evan Kirshenbaum on 3 Jul 2010 20:39
MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> writes: > ixion martin - GdBx wrote: >> MH a pens� tr�s fort : >>> SHUSSBAR wrote: >>>> Suarez vs. Henry : >>>> >>>> Both used their hands Both used their hands : one to get some >>>> help to control the ball that lead to a goal, the other one to >>>> get some help to stop a ball that prevented a goal. At the end, >>>> it can be be argued that they both prevented another team to >>>> advance further in the competition. >>>> >>>> Question : should pizza hut in Ghana give free pizza anytime a >>>> Netherlands scores vs. Uruguay? >>> >>> Not quite identical situations, because Henry was risking very >>> little (worst consequences a whistle and yellow card) whereas >>> Su�rez, if he thought about it all, would have known it was a >>> penalty and red card. >> Do you think both players really thought about the consequences >> (for them, not for the team) of their acts ? > > Probably not. No time for philosophical reflections in those situations. I find it hard to believe that one could get to that level *without* having bull sessions debating things like "So under what situations would it be worth getting a red card?" And if soccer were a game like (American) football, the last huddle before that play would almost certainly have somebody reminding the players that they were in that sort of situation. "Do Whatever it takes to keep the ball out of the goal. Take a red card if you have to. If they score now, we go home." -- Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Never ascribe to malice that which 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |can adequately be explained by Palo Alto, CA 94304 |stupidity. kirshenbaum(a)hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |