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From: Mentalguy2k8 on 29 Jun 2010 13:31 Like some other managers, his strict discipline and single-minded attitude is his strength, but also his weakness. I think a manager having a stubborn and arrogant mindset can be fantastic (a la Mourinho) *when he is doing the right thing*. But when you are doing the wrong things and stubbornly sticking with the same players in wrong positions and wrongly basing your entire campaign on two or three players, then it can only end badly. People say that the players (or rather, Terry) were wrong to try to raise these issues with Capello, but I think they had every right. It's not as if we were setting the world alight and they were just moaning for the sake of it. The players know where they play best, who they play best with and so on... but it seems Capello dug his heels in and convinced himself that it would all "come good" eventually. Well it didn't. Even in his final press conference, Capello excused it all with "the players were tired"... and gave no indication that anything would be changing, or that maybe the formation(s) or selections were at fault. I don't think Capello will do much to change things, and for that reason I think he should go. He's still convinced that he got everything spot-on and that if the players had been fresher, we'd be in the final. If I genuinely thought he would take on board what *everyone* is telling him (and all the TV pundits, newspaper columnists and 30 million England fans can't ALL be wrong) then I'd say let's move on, forget about a dire World Cup and stick with him until after the Euros at least. But I don't think he will. Nobody minds a manager who learns from his mistakes, but the problem with Capello is trying to make him acknowledge that he made mistakes in the first place. We've got a friendly in August against Hungary, what's the betting Heskey is named in the squad?
From: Google Beta User on 29 Jun 2010 13:43 On Jun 29, 1:31 pm, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Like some other managers, his strict discipline and single-minded attitude > is his strength, but also his weakness. Capello said it best when he said, "We're not on a holiday, we're at the WORLD CUP." Keep Capello, FA should BACK OFF and let him pick who he'll pick. > People say that the players (or rather, Terry) were wrong to try to >raise these issues with Capello, but I think they had every right. Raising an issue with your manager, and publically trying to undermine your manager is two different things isn't it? > It's not as if we were setting the world alight and they were just >moaning for the sake of it. The players know where they play best, >who they play best with and so on... Hmm. Curious what do you think of the French debacle?
From: RED DEVIL on 29 Jun 2010 14:02 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:31:16 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Like some other managers, his strict discipline and single-minded attitude >is his strength, but also his weakness. I think a manager having a stubborn >and arrogant mindset can be fantastic (a la Mourinho) *when he is doing the >right thing*. But when you are doing the wrong things and stubbornly >sticking with the same players in wrong positions and wrongly basing your >entire campaign on two or three players, then it can only end badly. > >People say that the players (or rather, Terry) were wrong to try to raise >these issues with Capello, but I think they had every right. It's not as if >we were setting the world alight and they were just moaning for the sake of >it. The players know where they play best, who they play best with and so >on... but it seems Capello dug his heels in and convinced himself that it >would all "come good" eventually. Well it didn't. > >Even in his final press conference, Capello excused it all with "the players >were tired"... and gave no indication that anything would be changing, or >that maybe the formation(s) or selections were at fault. > >I don't think Capello will do much to change things, and for that reason I >think he should go. He's still convinced that he got everything spot-on and >that if the players had been fresher, we'd be in the final. If I genuinely >thought he would take on board what *everyone* is telling him (and all the >TV pundits, newspaper columnists and 30 million England fans can't ALL be >wrong) then I'd say let's move on, forget about a dire World Cup and stick >with him until after the Euros at least. But I don't think he will. Nobody >minds a manager who learns from his mistakes, but the problem with Capello >is trying to make him acknowledge that he made mistakes in the first place. > >We've got a friendly in August against Hungary, what's the betting Heskey is >named in the squad? Bottom line is, it doesn't matter! We aren't good enough, however I do expect Capello (if they don't fire him) to blood some youngsters and I doubt heskey will be selected. Then again they have to be youngsters that can do the job, Capello has mentioned calling up some of the Arsenal kids which in my opinion would be a bad move, if they aren't good enough to play for the Arsenal first team then they aren't good enough for England. I believe he should look at some of the Villa kids (that are starting for Villa). RED DEVIL
From: Mentalguy2k8 on 29 Jun 2010 14:10 "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:53dk26dg2v5autvk71bj5b6aqpqif9van5(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:31:16 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8" > <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>Like some other managers, his strict discipline and single-minded attitude >>is his strength, but also his weakness. I think a manager having a >>stubborn >>and arrogant mindset can be fantastic (a la Mourinho) *when he is doing >>the >>right thing*. But when you are doing the wrong things and stubbornly >>sticking with the same players in wrong positions and wrongly basing your >>entire campaign on two or three players, then it can only end badly. >> >>People say that the players (or rather, Terry) were wrong to try to raise >>these issues with Capello, but I think they had every right. It's not as >>if >>we were setting the world alight and they were just moaning for the sake >>of >>it. The players know where they play best, who they play best with and so >>on... but it seems Capello dug his heels in and convinced himself that it >>would all "come good" eventually. Well it didn't. >> >>Even in his final press conference, Capello excused it all with "the >>players >>were tired"... and gave no indication that anything would be changing, or >>that maybe the formation(s) or selections were at fault. >> >>I don't think Capello will do much to change things, and for that reason I >>think he should go. He's still convinced that he got everything spot-on >>and >>that if the players had been fresher, we'd be in the final. If I genuinely >>thought he would take on board what *everyone* is telling him (and all the >>TV pundits, newspaper columnists and 30 million England fans can't ALL be >>wrong) then I'd say let's move on, forget about a dire World Cup and stick >>with him until after the Euros at least. But I don't think he will. Nobody >>minds a manager who learns from his mistakes, but the problem with Capello >>is trying to make him acknowledge that he made mistakes in the first >>place. >> >>We've got a friendly in August against Hungary, what's the betting Heskey >>is >>named in the squad? > > Bottom line is, it doesn't matter! > We aren't good enough, however I do expect Capello (if they don't > fire him) to blood some youngsters and I doubt heskey will be > selected. Then again they have to be youngsters that can do the job, > Capello has mentioned calling up some of the Arsenal kids which in my > opinion would be a bad move, if they aren't good enough to play for > the Arsenal first team then they aren't good enough for England. I > believe he should look at some of the Villa kids (that are starting > for Villa). Maybe we should keep a few old heads... James, Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, A Cole, and fill in the blanks with our under-17's or under-21's. We have to *build* towards the next competition, not just keep blundering on with the same old shite just to get us through qualifying. Dismantle the whole thing, keep a few of the experienced (decent) players and fill up with the youngsters. OK we're going to take some beatings while we build and we may miss out on Euro 2012, but we're taking beatings now and looking like shite ! At least this way we'll have something to show for it eventually.
From: RED DEVIL on 29 Jun 2010 17:04
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:10:29 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:53dk26dg2v5autvk71bj5b6aqpqif9van5(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:31:16 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8" >> <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Like some other managers, his strict discipline and single-minded attitude >>>is his strength, but also his weakness. I think a manager having a >>>stubborn >>>and arrogant mindset can be fantastic (a la Mourinho) *when he is doing >>>the >>>right thing*. But when you are doing the wrong things and stubbornly >>>sticking with the same players in wrong positions and wrongly basing your >>>entire campaign on two or three players, then it can only end badly. >>> >>>People say that the players (or rather, Terry) were wrong to try to raise >>>these issues with Capello, but I think they had every right. It's not as >>>if >>>we were setting the world alight and they were just moaning for the sake >>>of >>>it. The players know where they play best, who they play best with and so >>>on... but it seems Capello dug his heels in and convinced himself that it >>>would all "come good" eventually. Well it didn't. >>> >>>Even in his final press conference, Capello excused it all with "the >>>players >>>were tired"... and gave no indication that anything would be changing, or >>>that maybe the formation(s) or selections were at fault. >>> >>>I don't think Capello will do much to change things, and for that reason I >>>think he should go. He's still convinced that he got everything spot-on >>>and >>>that if the players had been fresher, we'd be in the final. If I genuinely >>>thought he would take on board what *everyone* is telling him (and all the >>>TV pundits, newspaper columnists and 30 million England fans can't ALL be >>>wrong) then I'd say let's move on, forget about a dire World Cup and stick >>>with him until after the Euros at least. But I don't think he will. Nobody >>>minds a manager who learns from his mistakes, but the problem with Capello >>>is trying to make him acknowledge that he made mistakes in the first >>>place. >>> >>>We've got a friendly in August against Hungary, what's the betting Heskey >>>is >>>named in the squad? >> >> Bottom line is, it doesn't matter! >> We aren't good enough, however I do expect Capello (if they don't >> fire him) to blood some youngsters and I doubt heskey will be >> selected. Then again they have to be youngsters that can do the job, >> Capello has mentioned calling up some of the Arsenal kids which in my >> opinion would be a bad move, if they aren't good enough to play for >> the Arsenal first team then they aren't good enough for England. I >> believe he should look at some of the Villa kids (that are starting >> for Villa). > >Maybe we should keep a few old heads... James, Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, A >Cole, and fill in the blanks with our under-17's or under-21's. We have to >*build* towards the next competition, not just keep blundering on with the >same old shite just to get us through qualifying. Dismantle the whole thing, >keep a few of the experienced (decent) players and fill up with the >youngsters. OK we're going to take some beatings while we build and we may >miss out on Euro 2012, but we're taking beatings now and looking like shite >! At least this way we'll have something to show for it eventually. I agree, some of the "old heads" should be kept (although Rooney could hardly be called "old") James will be 40 soon, it's time England produced another keeper, but keep James on board to help the young keepers. Gerrard (for me England's best player in SA) needs to continue but Terry needs to be dumped, he never had great pace but now he's way off the speed of International football. There are plenty of youngsters that can be brought on and for me, they should be blooded ASAP. RED DEVIL |