From: michael adams on

"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT), bofh <lancj2(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 12 Aug, 12:03, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only certain
> >> managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a season
> >> ago?
> >
> >Wenger has won nowt for years.
> >His flawed obsession with bringing young players through and spending
> >no money, resulting in empty trophy cabinets for, is it 5 seasons now,
> >would have seen him sacked in, lets say, certain other clubs, as the
> >"fans" would have had their say ;-)
>
> Arsenal fans are a strange bunch, they worship Wenger for some reason
> and it's not results
> RED DEVIL

<quote>

[Wenger] is the most successful manager in the history of Arsenal in terms of
trophies and is also the club's longest-serving manager.[3][4] Wenger
was the first non-British manager to win the Double in England, having
done so in 1998 and 2002. In 2004, he became the only manager in FA Premier
League history to go through the entire season without defeat.

Wenger is married to former basketball player Annie Brosterhous, with whom
he has one daughter, and currently lives in Totteridge, London.[9][10]
He is also a world brand ambassador for FIFA World Cup sponsor Castrol,
and as part of his arrangement has conducted several training camps for
international youth teams worldwide, as well as advising and providing
input to the Castrol Performance Index, FIFA's official ratings system,
used for gauging player ratings at official FIFA tournaments, ever since
the system's inception.

David Dein, former vice-chairman of Arsenal FC, described Wenger as the most
important manager in the club's history: "Arsene's a miracle worker. He's
revolutionized the club. He's turned players into world-class players.
Since he has been here, we have seen football from another planet."[44]

</quote>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars%C3%A8ne_Wenger


The article also goes on to say there's a statue of him at the stadium,
they have annual Wenger days, he has an asteroid named after him,
is a holder of the Legion d'Honuerre (the French VC), the OBE, and
speaks six different languages

What more could anyone possibly ask ?


michael adams

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From: RED DEVIL on
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:16:57 +0100, "lescor"
<lescorbett(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>
>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:foi866t046ost1kolubq1hp7vt652htmqd(a)4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT), bofh <lancj2(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 12 Aug, 12:03, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only
>>>> certain
>>>> managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a
>>>> season
>>>> ago?
>>>
>>>Wenger has won nowt for years.
>>>His flawed obsession with bringing young players through and spending
>>>no money, resulting in empty trophy cabinets for, is it 5 seasons now,
>>>would have seen him sacked in, lets say, certain other clubs, as the
>>>"fans" would have had their say ;-)
>>
>> Arsenal fans are a strange bunch, they worship Wenger for some reason
>> and it's not results.
>
>I would guess that Liverpool's fans and directors would have been equally
>as patient if their team had played in a similar way to Arsenal who's style
>always promises that there is so much better to come. An empty promise
>maybe, under the clubs present policy of spending little. Liverpool's
>style under Rafa just became more and more frantic despite the cash the
>club has spent over his 6 years.
>
>Playing attractive and entertaining attacking football has long been a way
>of keeping fans happy. West Ham have survived on that policy for decades.
>Wenger has his idiosyncrasies , but I have never doubted that he endorses
>the club's spending policy, and why shouldn't he? It makes a lot of sense
>to get that big building debt out of the way before anything else. Doing it,
>whilst keeping the fans happy and retaining the sides participation in
>all the major competitions to a late stage, is a big success. Not exactly
>what the fans would call a success maybe, but from the boards point of
>view, better than they could have expected.
>
>So how do Arsenal manage it? Seems to me that the style keeps them
>happy, but a bigger factor might be the down- to- earth attitude of their
>fans. They don't seem to suffer from the concept that, because of their
>past successes, which go back to the 1930's, they have some sort of
>divine right to be top dogs year after year. Cannot say the same for
>most L'pool fans, who seem feel that being amongst the best sides is
>a right, and failing to get there some sort of injustice" Back where we
>belong" is a common phrase. But no club "belongs" and none have
>a right simply because they once had a sustained run of success in the
>past. Success is only success if it was earned yesterday and is
>re-earned tomorrow.
>
>
>
>LC

Arsenal's success may go back to the 30's but it pales when stood next
to the likes of Manchester United and Liverpool's records. Arsenal
have failed miserably in europe for instance.

RED DEVIL
From: RED DEVIL on
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:21:55 +0100, "michael adams"
<mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote:

>
>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:foi866t046ost1kolubq1hp7vt652htmqd(a)4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT), bofh <lancj2(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 12 Aug, 12:03, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only certain
>> >> managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a season
>> >> ago?
>> >
>> >Wenger has won nowt for years.
>> >His flawed obsession with bringing young players through and spending
>> >no money, resulting in empty trophy cabinets for, is it 5 seasons now,
>> >would have seen him sacked in, lets say, certain other clubs, as the
>> >"fans" would have had their say ;-)
>>
>> Arsenal fans are a strange bunch, they worship Wenger for some reason
>> and it's not results
>> RED DEVIL
>
><quote>
>
>[Wenger] is the most successful manager in the history of Arsenal in terms of
>trophies and is also the club's longest-serving manager.[3][4] Wenger
>was the first non-British manager to win the Double in England, having
>done so in 1998 and 2002. In 2004, he became the only manager in FA Premier
>League history to go through the entire season without defeat.
>
>Wenger is married to former basketball player Annie Brosterhous, with whom
>he has one daughter, and currently lives in Totteridge, London.[9][10]
>He is also a world brand ambassador for FIFA World Cup sponsor Castrol,
>and as part of his arrangement has conducted several training camps for
>international youth teams worldwide, as well as advising and providing
>input to the Castrol Performance Index, FIFA's official ratings system,
>used for gauging player ratings at official FIFA tournaments, ever since
>the system's inception.
>
>David Dein, former vice-chairman of Arsenal FC, described Wenger as the most
>important manager in the club's history: "Arsene's a miracle worker. He's
>revolutionized the club. He's turned players into world-class players.
>Since he has been here, we have seen football from another planet."[44]
>
></quote>
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars%C3%A8ne_Wenger
>
>
>The article also goes on to say there's a statue of him at the stadium,
>they have annual Wenger days, he has an asteroid named after him,
>is a holder of the Legion d'Honuerre (the French VC), the OBE, and
>speaks six different languages
>
>What more could anyone possibly ask ?
>
>
>michael adams
>
That he win something sometime soon?
RED DEVIL