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From: Mentalguy2k8 on 12 Aug 2010 07:03 "bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1533a073-21e8-4f5a-bf62-c85a26fa5f45(a)v41g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... > On 12 Aug, 09:22, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "Google Beta User" <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote in >> messagenews:2b26cf24-b761-4b30-9e99-92886d77e8df(a)h32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >I wonder if it's money (it's not a conclusion that it is). >> >> > Is there a trend of managers (Mourinho at Chelsea and yes Benitez at >> > Liverpool) throwing a hissy fit because an open checkbook isn't made >> > available? >> >> > Moyes, SAF and Wenger don't moan about that they get on with it. >> >> Maybe that's the sign of a good manager, being able to get the best out >> of >> what you've got. Anyone can cover their own shortcomings by making a big >> deal about not having enough money. > > Yep. Moyes wins nowt, Wenger wins nowt, and please dont tell me SAF > hasnt got/had unparalleled riches ? I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only certain managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a season ago?
From: RED DEVIL on 12 Aug 2010 13:10 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:03:57 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >"bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >news:1533a073-21e8-4f5a-bf62-c85a26fa5f45(a)v41g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... >> On 12 Aug, 09:22, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> "Google Beta User" <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>> messagenews:2b26cf24-b761-4b30-9e99-92886d77e8df(a)h32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >I wonder if it's money (it's not a conclusion that it is). >>> >>> > Is there a trend of managers (Mourinho at Chelsea and yes Benitez at >>> > Liverpool) throwing a hissy fit because an open checkbook isn't made >>> > available? >>> >>> > Moyes, SAF and Wenger don't moan about that they get on with it. >>> >>> Maybe that's the sign of a good manager, being able to get the best out >>> of >>> what you've got. Anyone can cover their own shortcomings by making a big >>> deal about not having enough money. >> >> Yep. Moyes wins nowt, Wenger wins nowt, and please dont tell me SAF >> hasnt got/had unparalleled riches ? > >I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only certain >managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a season >ago? And he won those "few things" based upon a rock solid defence that was already in place when he joined the club and quite a few money signings. RED DEVIL
From: bofh on 12 Aug 2010 14:48 On 12 Aug, 12:03, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only certain > managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a season > ago? Wenger has won nowt for years. His flawed obsession with bringing young players through and spending no money, resulting in empty trophy cabinets for, is it 5 seasons now, would have seen him sacked in, lets say, certain other clubs, as the "fans" would have had their say ;-)
From: RED DEVIL on 12 Aug 2010 15:27 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT), bofh <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 12 Aug, 12:03, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only certain >> managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a season >> ago? > >Wenger has won nowt for years. >His flawed obsession with bringing young players through and spending >no money, resulting in empty trophy cabinets for, is it 5 seasons now, >would have seen him sacked in, lets say, certain other clubs, as the >"fans" would have had their say ;-) Arsenal fans are a strange bunch, they worship Wenger for some reason and it's not results RED DEVIL
From: lescor on 13 Aug 2010 04:16
"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:foi866t046ost1kolubq1hp7vt652htmqd(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT), bofh <lancj2(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>On 12 Aug, 12:03, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I think you'll find that Wenger has won a few things. Or is it only >>> certain >>> managers whose trophies are acknowledged if they were won more than a >>> season >>> ago? >> >>Wenger has won nowt for years. >>His flawed obsession with bringing young players through and spending >>no money, resulting in empty trophy cabinets for, is it 5 seasons now, >>would have seen him sacked in, lets say, certain other clubs, as the >>"fans" would have had their say ;-) > > Arsenal fans are a strange bunch, they worship Wenger for some reason > and it's not results. I would guess that Liverpool's fans and directors would have been equally as patient if their team had played in a similar way to Arsenal who's style always promises that there is so much better to come. An empty promise maybe, under the clubs present policy of spending little. Liverpool's style under Rafa just became more and more frantic despite the cash the club has spent over his 6 years. Playing attractive and entertaining attacking football has long been a way of keeping fans happy. West Ham have survived on that policy for decades. Wenger has his idiosyncrasies , but I have never doubted that he endorses the club's spending policy, and why shouldn't he? It makes a lot of sense to get that big building debt out of the way before anything else. Doing it, whilst keeping the fans happy and retaining the sides participation in all the major competitions to a late stage, is a big success. Not exactly what the fans would call a success maybe, but from the boards point of view, better than they could have expected. So how do Arsenal manage it? Seems to me that the style keeps them happy, but a bigger factor might be the down- to- earth attitude of their fans. They don't seem to suffer from the concept that, because of their past successes, which go back to the 1930's, they have some sort of divine right to be top dogs year after year. Cannot say the same for most L'pool fans, who seem feel that being amongst the best sides is a right, and failing to get there some sort of injustice" Back where we belong" is a common phrase. But no club "belongs" and none have a right simply because they once had a sustained run of success in the past. Success is only success if it was earned yesterday and is re-earned tomorrow. LC LC |