From: Huw Morris on
I only saw brief highlights of the USA-Algeria match. My initial reaction at
the offside goal was that it was correctly called, but I haven't seen a
replay. Is there a screen grab shot that shows definitively whether it was
offside or not?

I'm getting pretty tired of the whinging from fans of all sides here on rss,
and on other message boards, and the Americans seem among the worst. While
they have a legitimate complaint about that dreadful call vs. Slovenia, the
Algeria "goal" was so tight that it's the sort of decision that can go for
or against you. For that matter, I'm not convinced the offside goal England
"scored" yesterday was actually offside either, but I haven't seen a replay
of that either.

Huw
From: Mark V. on
On Jun 24, 4:02 am, Huw Morris <n...(a)spam.please> wrote:
> I only saw brief highlights of the USA-Algeria match. My initial reaction at
> the offside goal was that it was correctly called, but I haven't seen a
> replay. Is there a screen grab shot that shows definitively whether it was
> offside or not?

It's *very* hard for me to tell. I initially thought he was onside.
But after one poster on RSS saw an angle on a different channel from
ESPN and said it appeared as though he was a few centimeters offside,
I've watched it again and think it might have been a good call.

I'm highly skeptical that the US fan reaction HAS been any worse (or
better than) the reaction that any other team's fans would have (how
do you think Spanish or Italian fora were in 2002?) been.

> I'm getting pretty tired of the whinging from fans of all sides here on rss,
> and on other message boards, and the Americans seem among the worst.

Stay off the other message boards, then. The US fans on RSS have been
fine!
From: Huw Morris on
Mark V. wrote:
> I'm highly skeptical that the US fan reaction HAS been any worse (or
> better than) the reaction that any other team's fans would have (how
> do you think Spanish or Italian fora were in 2002?) been.

Per capita, you're probably right. It's just that there are more and more
Americans with each major tournament. RSS has been awful with whinging from
just about everyone. I just wish people would get a sense of proportion.
Referees make mistakes - it's part of the game. Nobody has been getting
screwed and there are no conspiracies.

Huw
From: Mark V. on
On Jun 24, 5:17 am, Huw Morris <n...(a)spam.please> wrote:
> Mark V. wrote:
> > I'm highly skeptical that the US fan reaction HAS been any worse (or
> > better than) the reaction that any other team's fans would have (how
> > do you think Spanish or Italian fora were in 2002?) been.
>
> Per capita, you're probably right. It's just that there are more and more
> Americans with each major tournament. RSS has been awful with whinging from
> just about everyone. I just wish people would get a sense of proportion.
> Referees make mistakes - it's part of the game. Nobody has been getting
> screwed and there are no conspiracies.
>
> Huw

I agree.
From: Bob on
Huw Morris wrote:
> Mark V. wrote:
>> I'm highly skeptical that the US fan reaction HAS been any worse (or
>> better than) the reaction that any other team's fans would have (how
>> do you think Spanish or Italian fora were in 2002?) been.

I think people have become aware that a flood of outcries may affect future
refereeing decisions so the US reaction, with the US media in the lead, may
have been conscious of that possibility.

>
> Per capita, you're probably right. It's just that there are more and
> more Americans with each major tournament. RSS has been awful with
> whinging from just about everyone. I just wish people would get a
> sense of proportion. Referees make mistakes - it's part of the game.
> Nobody has been getting screwed and there are no conspiracies.
>
> Huw

proportion? like decisive games being decided by a few major refereeing
decisions, screw ups according to critics?