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From: Insane Ranter on 9 Jul 2010 21:22
On Jul 9, 8:21 pm, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> "Mango" <some...(a)fakemail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >> Most people were saying that the quality of football played in the last
> >> WC was low and that Italy was an average team.
>
> >> Well...looking at the quality of football played in this WC, Italy or any
> >> other team could have won it!
>
> >> If Italy would have made it out of the group stages, (with Cassano,
> >> Borriello - and without Lippi and Cannavaro) I seriously think they would
> >> have had a great chance to win!
>
> > Considering they came last in a group with New Zealand in it I doubt they
> > would have been able to beat anyone who made the last 16.
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> If they played like the did in the last 20mins of the last game they could
> have beaten anyone.

Maybe if they weren't over the hill and could only play a great game
for 20min in one out of three....
From: Mango on 10 Jul 2010 08:07


"Diabolik" <Diabolik(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Mango" <someone(a)fakemail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Diabolik" <Diabolik(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>> Most people were saying that the quality of football played in the last
>>> WC was low and that Italy was an average team.
>>>
>>> Well...looking at the quality of football played in this WC, Italy or
>>> any other team could have won it!
>>>
>>> If Italy would have made it out of the group stages, (with Cassano,
>>> Borriello - and without Lippi and Cannavaro) I seriously think they
>>> would have had a great chance to win!
>>>
>>
>> Considering they came last in a group with New Zealand in it I doubt they
>> would have been able to beat anyone who made the last 16.
>
> If they played like the did in the last 20mins of the last game they could
> have beaten anyone.
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>>> Either the teams have leveled out and the 2 tier teams are better, or
>>> the top teams are worst.
>>>
>>
>> Top teams are still good, its just Italy aren't one of them this time
>> around. There are also a lot more teams that could be called second tier
>> than there have been in the past. This means that when the first tier
>> teams are on a low point in their cycle, they can easily lose to them
>>
>>
>>> I think it's a combination of both.
>>
>> Maybe in Italy's case, but most other 1st tier teams did good.
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> Brasil, Argentina and Germany did good???
>

I thought so.

> Usually one of these teams reach the final, if not both.
>

True, but they still did pretty good. Brazil were eliminated by a finalist,
as was Germany. Argentina beaten by Germany.

> If you add Italy and France then the top teams didn't do well.

I don't really count France as first tier. They are too hot and cold.


From: Diabolik on 10 Jul 2010 08:25

"Mango" <someone(a)fakemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Diabolik" <Diabolik(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> "Mango" <someone(a)fakemail.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Diabolik" <Diabolik(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Most people were saying that the quality of football played in the last
>>>> WC was low and that Italy was an average team.
>>>>
>>>> Well...looking at the quality of football played in this WC, Italy or
>>>> any other team could have won it!
>>>>
>>>> If Italy would have made it out of the group stages, (with Cassano,
>>>> Borriello - and without Lippi and Cannavaro) I seriously think they
>>>> would have had a great chance to win!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Considering they came last in a group with New Zealand in it I doubt
>>> they would have been able to beat anyone who made the last 16.
>>
>> If they played like the did in the last 20mins of the last game they
>> could have beaten anyone.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Either the teams have leveled out and the 2 tier teams are better, or
>>>> the top teams are worst.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Top teams are still good, its just Italy aren't one of them this time
>>> around. There are also a lot more teams that could be called second
>>> tier than there have been in the past. This means that when the first
>>> tier teams are on a low point in their cycle, they can easily lose to
>>> them
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it's a combination of both.
>>>
>>> Maybe in Italy's case, but most other 1st tier teams did good.
>>
>> Brasil, Argentina and Germany did good???
>>
>
> I thought so.

I think Germany did well, and Brasil or Argentina did ok, not well.



>> Usually one of these teams reach the final, if not both.
>>
>
> True, but they still did pretty good.

Yeah, fairly well.


> Brazil were eliminated by a finalist

That's relative and it doesn't really matter who they were elminated by.


> as was Germany.

As above.

> Argentina beaten by Germany.

Again as above


>
>> If you add Italy and France then the top teams didn't do well.
>
> I don't really count France as first tier. They are too hot and cold.

Agreed!

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