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From: Benny on 27 Apr 2010 09:04 > Subject : PFA Awards Shock! > From : tarrow(a)yahoo.com > Cesc Fabregas is still only 22. I'm not sure how the PFA decided that > Milner is a young player since he is also an Aston Villa and England > regular. It's the players who vote right? More proof footballers are thick. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: REDDEVIL6 on 27 Apr 2010 11:15 On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:16:27 -0700 (PDT), Mike Hall <tarrow(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 26 Apr, 20:12, REDDEV...(a)nospam.net wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:25:51 +0100, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> >> wrote: >> >> > > Subject : PFA Awards Shock! >> > > From : markvande...(a)yahoo.com >> >> > > Isn't Milner old enough to be Ramsey's grandfather? >> >> >He's 24, the same age as Rooney. That's a funny definition of young. >> >> 23 when the season began > >Cesc Fabregas is still only 22. I'm not sure how the PFA decided that >Milner is a young player since he is also an Aston Villa and England >regular. > > >Mike Hall Fabregas is indeed a great player which makes one wonder why he didn't get the votes, maybe it's because he has poor character
From: REDDEVIL6 on 27 Apr 2010 11:19 On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:09:31 -0700 (PDT), Mike Hall <tarrow(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 26 Apr, 01:15, REDDEV...(a)nospam.net wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:14:53 -0700 (PDT), Mike Hall <tar...(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Player of the Year - Wayne Rooney >> >Young Player of the Year - James Milner >> >> >The shocking thing is that the awards are pretty-much unarguably >> >correct! �I think Aaron Ramsey would have been in contention for Young >> >Player of the Year but for injury, and Florent Malouda should have won >> >Player of the Year but for Rooney's tour de force. > >> Aaron Ramsey? > >> � � How many matches did he play? > >Quite a few. He had just about broken into the first team and was >Cesc Fabregas's first understudy. No two ways about it, Aaron Ramsey >was on the verge of superstardom. > >Like others have said, I don't know why the PFA don't like Chelsea >players, with Malouda and Lampard not making the PFA team of the >year. Can you justify Fletcher being there? > > >Mike Hall Ramsey played 18 matches, not that many really and you really don't believe he had a better season than Milner do you? This is becoming known as the Eduardo syndrome, you get hurt while playing for Arsenal and all of a sudden you get elevated to world class (Eduardo was never that good and Ramsey hasn't shown anything yet). As far as Fletcher, well yes I can justify his selection but then again it wasn't down to me, the players thought he was the best so they voted for him, hard to argue about that!
From: Gabbage on 27 Apr 2010 16:20 On Apr 26, 2:02 pm, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 26, 10:25 am, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > > > Benny wrote: > > > > Subject : PFA Awards Shock! > > > > From : markvande...(a)yahoo.com > > > > > Isn't Milner old enough to be Ramsey's grandfather? > > > > He's 24, the same age as Rooney. That's a funny definition of young. > > > You would think the absolute limit would be U23 (eligibility for Olympic > > teams). U21 would make even more sense to me. > > If you're 23 or younger when the season begins (I just looked this up) > you are eligible. If the award had been given, then, to the best- > performing eligible player, Rooney should have won! My guess is that when the award was established in the early 70s, there were good reasons to think of 23 year olds as young players. These days, with seasons lasting 60 games, squad rotation, and the Arsene Wenger philosophy to the Carling Cup being adopted by half the teams in the Premier League, young players get plenty of first team opportunities. In the days of one sub per game, not so much.
From: MH on 27 Apr 2010 17:27 Gabbage wrote: > On Apr 26, 2:02 pm, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Apr 26, 10:25 am, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: >> >>> Benny wrote: >>>> > Subject : PFA Awards Shock! >>>> > From : markvande...(a)yahoo.com >>>> > Isn't Milner old enough to be Ramsey's grandfather? >>>> He's 24, the same age as Rooney. That's a funny definition of young. >>> You would think the absolute limit would be U23 (eligibility for Olympic >>> teams). U21 would make even more sense to me. >> If you're 23 or younger when the season begins (I just looked this up) >> you are eligible. If the award had been given, then, to the best- >> performing eligible player, Rooney should have won! > > My guess is that when the award was established in the early 70s, > there were good reasons to think of 23 year olds as young players. Quite possibly, though I remember winners that were really quite young (eg. Hughes - though I could be wrong about his age.) > These days, with seasons lasting 60 games, This is oversold. I know you are a Liverpool supporter, so it is probably no surpise to you that Kenny Dalgish played 61 games his first season, and also had seasons with 60, 59, and 57 games played total in all competitions. His fewest games before he became manager was 50. There were more league games back then, and first choice players, as you correctly note below, played in every game in every competition when fit. squad rotation, and the > Arsene Wenger philosophy to the Carling Cup being adopted by half the > teams in the Premier League, young players get plenty of first team > opportunities. In the days of one sub per game, not so much. Subs certainly had changed the game. But I am not sure the number of young players starting regularly in the top division would have changed all that much -- in fact the influx of foreign players plus the increase in squad sizes might have reduced opportunities for younger players to break in.
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