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From: Huw Morris on 17 Jun 2010 03:18 HASM wrote: > FIFA doesn't claim that a player is only offside if/when he touches the > ball. > Definitions > - "interfering with play" means playing or touching the ball passed or > touched by a team-mate You've just invalidated your own argument. Since a player is only offside if he is "interfering with play", that's exactly what FIFA are claiming. Huw
From: Huw Morris on 17 Jun 2010 03:22 HASM wrote: >> So pretty much the same as today > > As I've been saying all along ... And it's also what *I've* been saying! The wording of the law is pretty much unchanged. The way referees have been instructed to interpret that law has changed greatly. That's unarguable; Daniele has posted examples. Huw
From: Huw Morris on 17 Jun 2010 03:25 Futbolmetrix wrote: > I doubt it. The new interpretation/directive has been in place for > quite a while now, and this is the first tournament where there's been > such a dramatic collapse in goals per game. In domestic leagues and in > the CL the goal per game ratio is much higher. Yeah, you could be right. Extreme caution by the coaches has certainly meant many teams are playing far too defensive formations, and it may be that offside has nothing to do with it. I would argue though that the current offside interpretation seems to encourage a "sit back and defend deep" mentality. Huw
From: HASM on 17 Jun 2010 10:19 Huw Morris <no(a)spam.please> writes: >> FIFA doesn't claim that a player is only offside if/when he touches the >> ball. >> - "interfering with play" means playing or touching the ball passed or >> touched by a team-mate > You've just invalidated your own argument. Since a player is only offside if > he is "interfering with play", that's exactly what FIFA are claiming. Maybe you overlooked this other definition: >> - "interfering with an opponent" means preventing an opponent from playing >> or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line >> of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the >> opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent i.e. an offside infraction can occur with the offending player touching the ball. -- HASM
From: ken.overton on 19 Jun 2010 07:47
On Jun 16, 12:44 pm, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here I would agree that it's extremely generous to say that RVN is > *not* interfering with play. But that's what the new directive is > about. Thought I'd bump this thread and add a comment. I do agree that the whole 'non-interfering player' rule is not helpful and is better removed altogether, but I want to speak from the opposite side:I hate offsides that are called when the ball is already deep in the offensive zone. These calls do nothing to help the game, as they don't affect the massive cherry-picking that the rule is intended to prohibit. But they're great for ruling out some great goals off of poor clearances from crosses, free kicks, corner kicks and whatnot. Although it will never happen in a gajillion years, I would like to see a variant hockey's offsides -- regular offsides applies until the ball is within some range of goal, say the top of the box, within that range everybody's onside until the ball is cleared. I'd also throw out the minor tweak that you could extend the no offsides on throw-ins rule to free kicks as well. |