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From: Huw Morris on 17 Jun 2010 03:18
> FIFA doesn't claim that a player is only offside if/when he touches the
> - "interfering with play" means playing or touching the ball passed or
> touched by a team-mate
You've just invalidated your own argument. Since a player is only offside if
he is "interfering with play", that's exactly what FIFA are claiming.
From: Huw Morris on 17 Jun 2010 03:22
>> So pretty much the same as today
> As I've been saying all along ...
And it's also what *I've* been saying! The wording of the law is pretty
much unchanged. The way referees have been instructed to interpret that law
has changed greatly. That's unarguable; Daniele has posted examples.
From: Huw Morris on 17 Jun 2010 03:25
> I doubt it. The new interpretation/directive has been in place for
> quite a while now, and this is the first tournament where there's been
> such a dramatic collapse in goals per game. In domestic leagues and in
> the CL the goal per game ratio is much higher.
Yeah, you could be right. Extreme caution by the coaches has certainly meant
many teams are playing far too defensive formations, and it may be that
offside has nothing to do with it. I would argue though that the current
offside interpretation seems to encourage a "sit back and defend deep"
From: HASM on 17 Jun 2010 10:19
Huw Morris <no(a)spam.please> writes:
>> FIFA doesn't claim that a player is only offside if/when he touches the
>> - "interfering with play" means playing or touching the ball passed or
>> touched by a team-mate
> You've just invalidated your own argument. Since a player is only offside if
> he is "interfering with play", that's exactly what FIFA are claiming.
Maybe you overlooked this other definition:
>> - "interfering with an opponent" means preventing an opponent from playing
>> or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line
>> of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the
>> opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent
i.e. an offside infraction can occur with the offending player touching the
From: ken.overton on 19 Jun 2010 07:47
On Jun 16, 12:44 pm, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here I would agree that it's extremely generous to say that RVN is
> *not* interfering with play. But that's what the new directive is
Thought I'd bump this thread and add a comment. I do agree that the
whole 'non-interfering player' rule is not helpful and is better
removed altogether, but I want to speak from the opposite side:I hate
offsides that are called when the ball is already deep in the
offensive zone. These calls do nothing to help the game, as they
don't affect the massive cherry-picking that the rule is intended to
prohibit. But they're great for ruling out some great goals off of
poor clearances from crosses, free kicks, corner kicks and whatnot.
Although it will never happen in a gajillion years, I would like to
see a variant hockey's offsides -- regular offsides applies until the
ball is within some range of goal, say the top of the box, within that
range everybody's onside until the ball is cleared.
I'd also throw out the minor tweak that you could extend the no
offsides on throw-ins rule to free kicks as well.