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From: Darth Simian on 10 Jul 2010 03:14 A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for one with live ammunition. As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner circle fired the wrong gun. Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the head. Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well brothers don't treat brothers that way." Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in a basement. The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. -- TO ALL GODLY PEOPLE, In the Citie of London. Having thought it needful to warn you of the Mischiefs and Evils practiced in the Sight of God by those called Freed Masons, I say take Care lest their Ceremonies and secret Swearings take hold of you; and be wary that none cause you to err from Godliness. For this devllish Sect of Men are Meeters in secret which swear agains all without ther Following. They are the Anti Christ which was to come leading Men from Fear of God. For how should Men meet in secret Places and with secret Signs taking Care that none observed them to do the Work of GOD; are not these the Ways of Evil-doers? Knowing how that God observeth privilly them that sit in Darkness they shall be smitten and the Secrets of their Hearts layed bare. Mingle not among this corrupt People lest you be found so at the World's Conflagration. Set forth as a Warning to this Christian Generation by M Winter, and Printed by R Sare at Grays Inn-gate, in Holborn. 1698.
From: Bellende Belhamel on 10 Jul 2010 06:45 Darth Simian wrote: > A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went > tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for > one with live ammunition. > > As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York > looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner > circle fired the wrong gun. > > Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a > loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as > a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached > into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the > head. > > Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree > manslaughter. He was later freed on �1,500 bail. > > A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite > stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said > those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least > tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well > brothers don't treat brothers that way." > > Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other > lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates > and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in > a basement. > > The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. That was several years ago, and just in the building, not a ritual. That is what they said anyway. > TO ALL GODLY PEOPLE, In the Citie of London. Having thought it needful > to warn you of the Mischiefs and Evils practiced in the Sight of God > by those called Freed Masons, I say take Care lest their Ceremonies > and secret Swearings take hold of you; and be wary that none cause you > to err from Godliness. > For this devllish Sect of Men are Meeters in secret which swear agains > all without ther Following. They are the Anti Christ which was to come > leading Men from Fear of God. For how should Men meet in secret Places > and with secret Signs taking Care that none observed them to do the > Work of GOD; are not these the Ways of Evil-doers? Knowing how that > God observeth privilly them that sit in Darkness they shall be smitten > and the Secrets of their Hearts layed bare. Mingle not among this > corrupt People lest you be found so at the World's Conflagration. > Set forth as a Warning to this Christian Generation by M Winter, > and Printed by R Sare at Gray�s Inn-gate, in Holborn. 1698. I am not a mason, that first, and not a Godly person either. And doing the Work of God? I don`t liek his works that much to begin with, but then I have pretty vague inclination that he (or she,.... it?) doesn`t exist anyway, and if it does, it is a horrible entity that deserves the worst punishement and then some.
From: Baldoni on 10 Jul 2010 10:24 After serious thinking Aaron wrote : > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:45:16 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel" > <bellendebelh(a)m.el> wrote: > >> Darth Simian wrote: >>> A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went >>> tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for >>> one with live ammunition. >>> >>> As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York >>> looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner >>> circle fired the wrong gun. >>> >>> Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a >>> loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as >>> a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached >>> into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the >>> head. >>> >>> Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree >>> manslaughter. He was later freed on �1,500 bail. >>> >>> A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite >>> stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said >>> those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least >>> tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well >>> brothers don't treat brothers that way." >>> >>> Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other >>> lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates >>> and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in >>> a basement. >>> >>> The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. >> >> That was several years ago, and just in the building, not a ritual. >> That is what they said anyway. > > It was an initiation into a non-Masonic club for police officers that > was using a Masonic Lodge as a meeting place. > > In the US masons pass through the tree degrees fairly quickly, only a > month being required between degrees by most Grand Lodges. So there > is no need for a "Fellowcraft Club." Another News article about the > incident indicated that the club was made up of police who were also > Masons, but did nor specify whether or not non-Masons who were police > could join.. I wager 9/11 hit the NYC Freemason police service hard and all the jokers who used to put their money into the "NORAID" tin to fund the PROVOS when they were romancing about old Ireland where their 10th generation grandparents hailed from. > > A couple versions of the ritual for initiation into the Fellowcraft > Degree can be found quite easily by anyone who really wants to know > the facts, and shows that none of this has anything to do with > Masonry. It also shows that DS does not question Freemasonry at all, > he just makes wild pointless accusations. > > By the way, there was no "�1,500 bail" since Pounds are not used in > the US. DS also changed the Albert Eid's name, adding "Pike" for no > apparent reason. Guns masons and the KKK just do not mix well and it should be eradicated. -- Count Baldoni
From: Pakistan Meteorological Department on 10 Jul 2010 19:54 Aaron wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:45:16 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel" > <bellendebelh(a)m.el> wrote: > > >>Darth Simian wrote: >> >>>A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went >>>tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for >>>one with live ammunition. >>> >>>As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York >>>looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner >>>circle fired the wrong gun. >>> >>>Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a >>>loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as >>>a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached >>>into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the >>>head. >>> >>>Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree >>>manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. >>> >>>A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite >>>stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said >>>those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least >>>tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well >>>brothers don't treat brothers that way." >>> >>>Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other >>>lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates >>>and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in >>>a basement. >>> >>>The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. >> >>That was several years ago, and just in the building, not a ritual. >>That is what they said anyway. > > > It was an initiation into a non-Masonic club for police officers that > was using a Masonic Lodge as a meeting place. Article doesn't state this, so cite. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-9595758-novice-mason-shot-dead-in-initiation-ritual.do > > In the US masons pass through the tree degrees fairly quickly, only a > month being required between degrees by most Grand Lodges. So there > is no need for a "Fellowcraft Club." Another News article about the > incident indicated that the club was made up of police who were also > Masons, but did nor specify whether or not non-Masons who were police > could join.. > > A couple versions of the ritual for initiation into the Fellowcraft > Degree can be found quite easily by anyone who really wants to know > the facts, and shows that none of this has anything to do with > Masonry. It also shows that DS does not question Freemasonry at all, > he just makes wild pointless accusations. > > By the way, there was no "£1,500 bail" since Pounds are not used in > the US. DS also changed the Albert Eid's name, adding "Pike" for no > apparent reason. > It was quoted in the English press you idiot. Did you know that currency can be converted? -- "Entire units of the Metropolitan Police and the Flying Squad and the drug squad were Freemasons. They all, in the end, were sent to prison. When you are bonded by an oath of mutual defence and loyalty, you may well find that it is extremely difficult to squeal on your corrupt brethren" Martin Short on BBC Newsnight 19/03/01
From: Bellende Belhamel on 11 Jul 2010 02:38
Pakistan Meteorological Department wrote: > Aaron wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:45:16 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel" >> <bellendebelh(a)m.el> wrote: >> >> >>> Darth Simian wrote: >>> >>>> A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went >>>> tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for >>>> one with live ammunition. >>>> >>>> As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York >>>> looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner >>>> circle fired the wrong gun. >>>> >>>> Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a >>>> loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as >>>> a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached >>>> into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the >>>> head. >>>> >>>> Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree >>>> manslaughter. He was later freed on �1,500 bail. >>>> >>>> A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite >>>> stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said >>>> those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least >>>> tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well >>>> brothers don't treat brothers that way." >>>> >>>> Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other >>>> lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates >>>> and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in >>>> a basement. >>>> >>>> The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. >>> >>> That was several years ago, and just in the building, not a ritual. >>> That is what they said anyway. >> >> >> It was an initiation into a non-Masonic club for police officers that >> was using a Masonic Lodge as a meeting place. > > > Article doesn't state this, so cite. > > http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-9595758-novice-mason-shot-dead-in-initiation-ritual.do Well if you are a mason, you probably could get a bit more information then the first message brought out about it. Hell evenif you just knew one you might have gotten more information and maybe there have been followup's on the whole deal, I don`t know, but just quoting some old message might not cut it, it would if it just happened ofcourse. |