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From: Mart van de Wege on 19 Jun 2010 10:24
Mart van de Wege <mvdwege(a)mail.com> writes:

> nmp <address(a)is.invalid> writes:
>
>> Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>>
>>> I would not expect van Marwuk [..]
>>
>> Van Marwijk. Approximate prononciation for native English speakers: Vahn
>> Mahrwike. Capital V if not preceeded by first name.
>
> Erm. No.
>
> Dutch rules say that the words in the middle part of the name are not
> capitalised, except at the start of sentences.
>
Aaaand it appears I've been doing this wrong all my life. It is indeed
as nmp says: only as part of the full name, no capitalisation, otherwise
first word capitalised, others until the surname proper not. So my last
name would capitalise as 'Van de Wege' (but be sorted under 'W').

Still looks weird to me.

Mart

--
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
From: Winston Smith, American Patriot on 19 Jun 2010 10:50
On Jun 19, 5:24 pm, Mart van de Wege <mvdw...(a)mail.com> wrote:
> Mart van de Wege <mvdw...(a)mail.com> writes:
>
> > nmp <addr...(a)is.invalid> writes:
>
> >> Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>
> >>> I would not expect van Marwuk [..]
>
> >> Van Marwijk. Approximate prononciation for native English speakers: Vahn
> >> Mahrwike. Capital V if not preceeded by first name.
>
> > Erm. No.
>
> > Dutch rules say that the words in the middle part of the name are not
> > capitalised, except at the start of sentences.
>
> Aaaand it appears I've been doing this wrong all my life. It is indeed
> as nmp says: only as part of the full name, no capitalisation, otherwise
> first word capitalised, others until the surname proper not. So my last
> name would capitalise as 'Van de Wege' (but be sorted under 'W').

The sorting rule is interesting. I think in the US, it alphabetizes
on "V" and then if you have 2-3 Dutchmen or Belgians (they use it too,
right?) then you sort within...thus a "Van de Vaart" comes before "Van
de Wege". But someone with surname "Waylon" would come after "Van der
Wege" in the roll. Would that be so in your locale?
From: Mart van de Wege on 19 Jun 2010 11:53
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <mavigozler(a)yahoo.com> writes:

> On Jun 19, 5:24 pm, Mart van de Wege <mvdw...(a)mail.com> wrote:
>> Mart van de Wege <mvdw...(a)mail.com> writes:
>>
>> > nmp <addr...(a)is.invalid> writes:
>>
>> >> Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>>
>> >>> I would not expect van Marwuk [..]
>>
>> >> Van Marwijk. Approximate prononciation for native English speakers: Vahn
>> >> Mahrwike. Capital V if not preceeded by first name.
>>
>> > Erm. No.
>>
>> > Dutch rules say that the words in the middle part of the name are not
>> > capitalised, except at the start of sentences.
>>
>> Aaaand it appears I've been doing this wrong all my life. It is indeed
>> as nmp says: only as part of the full name, no capitalisation, otherwise
>> first word capitalised, others until the surname proper not. So my last
>> name would capitalise as 'Van de Wege' (but be sorted under 'W').
>
> The sorting rule is interesting. I think in the US, it alphabetizes
> on "V" and then if you have 2-3 Dutchmen or Belgians (they use it too,
> right?) then you sort within...thus a "Van de Vaart" comes before "Van
> de Wege". But someone with surname "Waylon" would come after "Van der
> Wege" in the roll. Would that be so in your locale?

Nope.

The articles do not count in the sorting order. So I would sort on
"Wege" after "Waylon".

For Dutch-speaking Belgians however, the articles *do* count in the sort
order.

Mart

--
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
From: Bruce D. Scott on 20 Jun 2010 15:44
Mart van de Wege (mvdwege(a)mail.com) wrote:
[...]
: Bommel after the match, and it is fairly clear that patience is the game
: plan. May not make for exciting games, but so far it's served the
: Netherlands well.

: Kudos to van Bommel though. He openly admitted that the first half mess
: was partly or mostly his fault for playing too deep and leaving too much
: space between defense and forward line.

Some credit to Louis van Gaal for some of this. He worked all season
trying to teach these players the value of patience, and in the second
half of the season it payed real dividends. Mark van Bommel was a
principal beneficiary.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: JK on 21 Jun 2010 11:21
Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Abubakr <deltarasha(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Jun 19, 10:19 pm, Mart van de Wege <mvdw...(a)mail.com> wrote:
>>> anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> writes:
>>>> Prediction: 3-1
>>> So far, Netherlands competent, but lacking drive and creativity.
>>>
>>> Elia showed promise against Denmark. I hope van Marwijk gives him
>>> another chance.
>>>
>>> Japan shows good tactical discipline and a relatively positive forward
>>> attitude.
>>>
>>> 0-0 if the Netherlands continues in this vein. If they manage a little
>>> more drive, I'd say 2-0.
>>>
>>> Mart
>> Holland looked much better in the first game once they got rid of Van
>> Persie and Van der Vaart and put on wingers. They are pedestrian again
>> with this same lineup.
>
> Meh.
>
> Fairly typical Dutch game: too many uninspiring passes square and
> backwards; somehow it doesn't sink in in this country that possession
> football is as boring as catenaccio.
>
> Movement off the ball was virtually nonexistent either, meaning the
> Japanese could easily shutdown midfield by good positioning.
>
> Sneijder's goal created a little more space due to the Japanese pressing
> forward, but the midfield and the front line did depressingly little
> with it.
>
> On the other hand, a rarity for a Dutch team, the defense was very
> solid; something that can take us far in the knockout stages.
>
> Mart
>

I think they looked a lot better than they did in the first match,
though still not incisive enough around the box. They seemed to create
a few more good chances against Japan. Also Van der Vart played better
and didn't clog up the middle as well.
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