From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.267efd2ed2fd671498d439(a)news-europe.giganews.com>,
Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT), Jellore wrote...
>
> > I think you need to take a crash course in how the game works.
>
> I think you need to stop trying to condescend (as you're really very bad
> at it) and simply state your points, counterpoints, etc.
>
> The USA had numerous chances to win that game last night, and they
> weren't all due to English mistakes. To pay attention to the more
> jingoistic, unrealistic, blinkered media outlets and English fans, one
> would have to conclude that the United States put out 11 amputees who
> were lucky to be on the pitch at all against such a glorious side as the
> mighty men wearing the three lions, playing for Bobby, blah blah blah...
>
> As I have said before, England have been overrated, and the United
> States team have been underrated... and that was shown in last night's
> result when the English got all they could handle and then some.

I don't disagree with that. The US team are basically now all
experienced playing in Europe, so they know the style, the competition,
and how to handle pressure. Plus US teams will all run themselves into
the ground for a result, something England didn't seem inclined to do.
Having said that, there is no doubt that England had the advantage in
possession - for good reason - and should have made more of it. It
lapsed into something of a stalemate in the second half, since the US
seemed content to settle for the draw, with the odd breakaway.
From: Sid on
* anders t [2010-06-13 15:07] [rec.sport.soccer]:

> Are you really Victoria Barrett? You sure sound like her quite often.

I don't think they are the same purely because of the Spurs-Arsenal
switch for the two posters, but that is obviously not evidence of
anything.

Sid
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From: Manx Gunner on
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:51:07 -0400, William Clark wrote...

> Plus US teams will all run themselves into
> the ground for a result, something England didn't seem inclined to do.

This is an important point. The US team seems to be fighting an uphill
battle, desperate to win or at least do their level best each match.
The England team seem to play like they're terrified of losing. I
suspect that the pressure put on them by the British public/media has a
lot to do with that, but if they don't get over it, they'll never win.
From: El Kot on
KaiserD2(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Jellore <jellore(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> However if you are trying the claim that the US were the better team
>> on the night then you are just trolling, something I wouldn't put past
>> you.i
>> England failed to win the match because they wasted a number of good
>> chances, inexcusable efforts from Lennon and Wright-Phillips....and
>> of course perhaps the biggest goalkeeping blunder at a WC.
>
> Well, that sure got everyone's attention!
>
> I'm an American although, since I became a fan of international
> soccer long before the US was on the map (1974) and since I still
> don't think we can possibly win the WC, I never can quite decide how
> hard to root for my home country team. It was actually the New York
> Times that I was angry at, largely because it is an American newspaper
> and should have given credit to the team for a good performance
> instead of writing a headline implying that only an English blunder
> saved us.


You should be happy with the way the New York Post printed it, then:

http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/front061310.jpg

:) :)

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From: Chagney Hunt on
On Jun 13, 6:55 pm, El Kot <nono.black.e...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Kaise...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > Jellore <jell...(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >> However if you are trying the claim that the US were the better team
> >> on the night then you are just trolling, something I wouldn't put past
> >> you.i
> >> England failed to win the match because they wasted a number of good
> >> chances, inexcusable  efforts from Lennon and Wright-Phillips....and
> >> of course perhaps the biggest goalkeeping blunder at a WC.
>
> >     Well, that sure got everyone's attention!
>
> >     I'm an American although, since I became a fan of international
> > soccer long before the US was on the map (1974) and since I still
> > don't think we can possibly win the WC, I never can quite decide how
> > hard to root for my home country team.  It was actually the New York
> > Times that I was angry at, largely because it is an American newspaper
> > and should have given credit to the team for a good performance
> > instead of writing a headline implying that only an English blunder
> > saved us.
>
> You should be happy with the way the New York Post printed it, then:
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/front061310.jpg

They stole that one from rsfc