Most mediocre teams to win the WC
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From: Binder Dundat on 19 Jul 2010 13:26 On Jul 19, 11:49 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > Italian Mike wrote: > > Mehdi wrote: > >>> Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC > >> > From : italian.mik...(a)gmail.com > > >>> Exactly, the praise this team has earned in the media just reveals > >>> the quality of the double standards that exist. > > >> While this is true I also think this WC will be forgotten about very > >> quickly. There wasn't a single all time great at this tournament, > >> there were three players that would have reached that status had > >> they won the competition i.e. Maicon, Lucio and Messi. > > > It may be forgotten, or seen as it really was by seasoned viewers who > > know what they are watching, but the typical World Cup fan every four > > years is going to repeat what they are told, and Spain being one of > > the greatest attacking teams of all time is likely what they'll be > > repeating. I've heard it already being echoed around my parts and it's > > hardly a soccer/football mad city. > > > Anyway, whoever said that Spains Tiki-Taka was a defensive weapon was > > bang on. I'll be honest, it was a good defensive weapon too, but > > nothing more than that. Other goals came on desperation plays, set > > pieces, and direct football, no square or triangle passing into the > > net at all. > > Spain outshot their opponents by 33-50% (except for Chile). Playing > possession ball (an offensive tactics) has always lead to stronger defense, > way before the words tiki taka were pronounced for the first time. Spare us > the senseless negative spin. I think the best defensive weapon is attacking every time you have the ball, keeping it away from the opponent and scoring on each attack. I know it is purely a defensive tactic but it can work! I mean if you could score every time you have possession and continuously attack and the other team never has the ball you stand a better than 50% chance of at least getting a draw? Man this group goes down hill during the summer, too bad there wasn't some football event they could plan to keep people occupied during June and July? Now can someone please analyze the best shoe laces to use on a wet pitch! Or how about the stats on curly haired players accuracy on headers vs bald headed players? Spain deserved to win the WM, plain and simple.
From: Bob on 19 Jul 2010 14:13 Binder Dundat wrote: > On Jul 19, 11:49 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >> Italian Mike wrote: >>> Mehdi wrote: >>>>> Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC >>>>> From : italian.mik...(a)gmail.com >> >>>>> Exactly, the praise this team has earned in the media just reveals >>>>> the quality of the double standards that exist. >> >>>> While this is true I also think this WC will be forgotten about >>>> very quickly. There wasn't a single all time great at this >>>> tournament, there were three players that would have reached that >>>> status had they won the competition i.e. Maicon, Lucio and Messi. >> >>> It may be forgotten, or seen as it really was by seasoned viewers >>> who know what they are watching, but the typical World Cup fan >>> every four years is going to repeat what they are told, and Spain >>> being one of the greatest attacking teams of all time is likely >>> what they'll be repeating. I've heard it already being echoed >>> around my parts and it's hardly a soccer/football mad city. >> >>> Anyway, whoever said that Spains Tiki-Taka was a defensive weapon >>> was bang on. I'll be honest, it was a good defensive weapon too, but >>> nothing more than that. Other goals came on desperation plays, set >>> pieces, and direct football, no square or triangle passing into the >>> net at all. >> >> Spain outshot their opponents by 33-50% (except for Chile). Playing >> possession ball (an offensive tactics) has always lead to stronger >> defense, way before the words tiki taka were pronounced for the >> first time. Spare us the senseless negative spin. > > I think the best defensive weapon is attacking every time you have the > ball, keeping it away from the opponent and scoring on each attack. I > know it is purely a defensive tactic but it can work! I mean if you > could score every time you have possession and continuously attack and > the other team never has the ball you stand a better than 50% chance > of at least getting a draw? pretty much ;) > > Man this group goes down hill during the summer, too bad there wasn't > some football event they could plan to keep people occupied during > June and July? > > Now can someone please analyze the best shoe laces to use on a wet > pitch! Or how about the stats on curly haired players accuracy on > headers vs bald headed players? > > Spain deserved to win the WM, plain and simple. That's a fact the negative spinmeisters can't contest, but they'll try to tarnish that win as much as they can.
From: Mehdi on 19 Jul 2010 15:20 > Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC > From : zelig9999(a)gmail.com > I find it amusing how you can think any team could give Spain a > footballing lesson. They have played just about everyone over the last > 4 years and it's been the other way around. Including when they played > Italy. They won on penalties. That's not giving them a footballing lesson nor is winning 1-0 nor is getting most of the calls from the refs. > With comments like yours we are seeing nothing more than > football envy. They did not win every match in the world cup easily > but that's more about the nature of the sport than anything else. Oh really? How is it about the nature of the sport? Other teams managed to score more goal and play far more entertaining football. > It's more about how teams respected them more than any team has been > respected in the last 20 years. Horeshit. All hyped or feared teams have to work hard to break down the opposition. It's NOTHING new. > Holland changed their style of play > just because they were facing a team that they felt totally inferior > too. Did you see of any of Holland's games since BVM took over? This is how they play. Totally inferior? They lost by a goal in ET when down to 10 men. > Germany also did not play Spain straight up. They were missing their best player. If Spain missed their best player i.e. Villa they wouldn't have made it out of the groups. > Spain have given many teams a footballing lesson and this will probably continue for > some time. Many? No. They have given a handful of teams a footballing lesson, no more than many other major teams. A footballing lesson is what I give to you. Now get off the bandwagon we're just about done with this WC. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: Mehdi on 19 Jul 2010 15:38 > Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC > From : italian.mike08(a)gmail.com > It may be forgotten, or seen as it really was by seasoned viewers who > know what they are watching, but the typical World Cup fan every four > years is going to repeat what they are told, and Spain being one of > the greatest attacking teams of all time is likely what they'll be > repeating. I've heard it already being echoed around my parts and it's > hardly a soccer/football mad city. Fly by nighters are always quick to jump on bandwagons. See Brazil in 1994, praised (at the time) for playing the Brazilian way when in fact they played a very negative brand of football, not too dissimilar to this Dutch side - two DMs who committed a high number of tactical fouls. Dunga was a thug. Spain's reputation is based on the good faith they picked up with the football they played in the Euros. Their only ever hope of winning a World Cup was with this group of players. Teams find playing against this brand of football incredibly frustrating and they'll retaliate, which is of course the idea, but it's a career shortener. The usual suspects will rebound strongly in 2014 as they did in 2006 after the failures of 2002. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: JK on 19 Jul 2010 16:27
Mehdi wrote: <snip a bunch of stuff> [Spain's] only ever > hope of winning a World Cup was with this group of players. Ok, but doesn't it ALWAYS take a special group of players to win a World Cup? Teams find > playing against this brand of football incredibly frustrating and > they'll retaliate, which is of course the idea, but it's a career > shortener. What would you suggest they do as an alternative: abandon their unique strengths and turn their back on the playing style which has won them two tournaments in a row? The usual suspects will rebound strongly in 2014 as they did > in 2006 after the failures of 2002. Yes. Italy, France, and England aren't going away anytime soon. |