From: Vanman on
Two things.

1. I think the "helping held" via conspiracies or referees with Argentina
78' gets overblown. If you want to see referee bias..see Spain getting help
during WC82'..that was far far worse. No referee helped the Argies in their
loss to Italy 1-0, Nyilasi and Toroshik (sp) simply lost their cool in a
chippy match. I think Tresor was hard done by for a penalty given to the
Argies in their great game against France but that was not an outrageous
call (though I probably would not have given it since it seemed
unintentional to me but then referee's have to make a decision in the blink
of an eye).

2. Where the Argies can get criticism was that their road to victory was
kinda mediocre. Although in the group of death I would say the wins over
Hungary and France were very close, the loss to Italy (ok in what was a
somewhat irrelevent game as both were through) does not look good, and in
the 2nd group phase they beat a mediocre Peru (I can see where the latter
was rolled over as they were already out, their defense was always suspect,
and the environment was intimidating) and a good, but not great Polish side
(declined a bit since 74'). The final was also a very close run thing
against Holland. Despite this if you watch this Argie team it was very good
(though not excellent) and would have been hard to handle for any team
really...their aggressive, direct and attacking style could be ferociou. Any
team with Passarella, Kempes, Ardiles, Luque etc was very good. I
personally think the 86' team may very well have been inferior to this team
despite winning the cup that year. Ironically the Argentina 82' team was
probably the best Argies lineup in history in terms of talent..but for
whatever reason never got off the ground and lacked the cohesion necessary
to match Brazil 82' and Italy 82'. Kinda strange really.


"Clarkoo" <gables0(a)yahoo.es> wrote in message
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>
> In my lifetime Italy 2006 definetely and Brasil 94. I'm also told that
> Argentina 78 were pretty bad and they needed "an extra push" (if you
> know what I'm saying" to win that WC.


From: 3tenors-spain-world-champion on
On Jul 18, 11:36 am, higgs <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 7:04 pm, Mark <Pammieshe...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 18, 12:16 am, Insane Ranter <log...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 1966?
>
> >  Exactly! Home advantage, blatant gamesmanship in the semi-final, the
> > ball not crossing the line for the decisive "goal" in the final,
> > possibly (although as far as I know there isn't much evidence for
> > this) a refereeing conspiracy in the quarter-final, Antonio Rattin
> > (conspiracy or not) sent off for nothing in the quarter-final. Without
> > all those advantages there's no way England would have won it, as has
> > been proved by the fact that they've never reached the final of a
> > major tournament before or since.
>
> Argentina well deserved the epithet 'Animals' in that QF.
> Rattin was simply the icing on the cake of a woefully cynical and
> brutal Argentinian team in that tournament (and yes, I saw every
> game).
>
> The 'decisive' goal has long been held up to be an impossibility
> because it was against the laws of physics for the ball to have hit
> the bar and bounced down behind the line. The Germany match this time
> around proved that this was indeed possible.
>
> But anyway, please elaborate on the English 'gamesmanship' in the SF.
> I assume you have seen the game?

Higgs fool, didn't I spank you enough already? Are you asking for more
punishment, sock puppeteer? My regards to your chum 'Norm', lol.

Tenor
From: Mehdi on
> Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC
> From : monsieur.karamako(a)nawadoo.fr

> Yes, exactly like Greece 2004...
> :)

I agree. Any team that wins a tournament in the manner Spain won the
World Cup should be heavily criticised. It will be death of football if
teams play with the lack of ambition Spain showed. 2 DMs, lots of square
passing, wait for mistakes.


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From: Italian Mike on
Mehdi wrote:
> > Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC
> > From : monsieur.karamako(a)nawadoo.fr
>
> > Yes, exactly like Greece 2004...
> > :)
>
> I agree. Any team that wins a tournament in the manner Spain won the
> World Cup should be heavily criticised. It will be death of football if
> teams play with the lack of ambition Spain showed. 2 DMs, lots of square
> passing, wait for mistakes.


Exactly, the praise this team has earned in the media just reveals the
quality of the double standards that exist.
From: Mehdi on
> Subject : Most mediocre teams to win the WC
> From : gables0(a)yahoo.es

> In my lifetime Italy 2006 definetely and Brasil 94. I'm also told that
> Argentina 78 were pretty bad and they needed "an extra push" (if you
> know what I'm saying" to win that WC.

Brazil 1994 and Spain 2010, in that order.


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