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From: Mark V. on 5 Jul 2010 16:04
On Jul 5, 12:10 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2:57 pm, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 9:35 am, Opry phantom <xanthus...(a)charter.net> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 5, 4:34 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Not a bad reception for a coach that got eliminated at the quarterfinals.
>
> > > > I think he showed what a great motivator he is, and a great coach.
>
> > > > Argentina did well, considering they wrote him off from the start. With a
> > > > bit of luck they could have gone further.
>
> > > <smirk> What reception awaited the Brazil team?  A certain midfielder
> > > should wait a few months before entering the country...
>
> > Even he's going to get a bit of a bad rap. He assisted the first goal,
> > was somewhat absolved of fault on what is now Sneijder's goal, and
> > made his stomp (on one of the bigger cheats in the game) after the
> > disintegration was apparent and the team was already down 1-2. He may
> > suck at club level, and the stomp was juvenile. But I hope that his
> > critics will have some perspective about it.
>
> I dont agree. Even though the goal has technically been awarded to
> Sneijder, it was still clearly his mistake (glanced the header over
> his keeper's punch). And the stomp on top of that was simply
> inexcusable.

Don't you think he'd be even guiltier of physically impeding his
keeper from getting to the ball than heading it over the punch? And
yet, shouldn't his keeper have called out from behind him to get him
out of the way? Perhaps he did and I couldn't see it on the replay.

At any rate, I just read that Ronaldo suggested he not take his family
on vacation anywhere in Brazil. And that is the perspective, or lack
thereof, that I'm talking about. I don't know that this guy was
responsible for a sudden reversal of Brazil's fortunes in this match.
From: Ll�o on 5 Jul 2010 16:30
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On Jul 5, 12:10 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2:57 pm, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Even he's going to get a bit of a bad rap. He assisted the first goal,
> > > was somewhat absolved of fault on what is now Sneijder's goal, and
> > > made his stomp (on one of the bigger cheats in the game) after the
> > > disintegration was apparent and the team was already down 1-2. He may
> > > suck at club level, and the stomp was juvenile. But I hope that his
> > > critics will have some perspective about it.
> >
> > I dont agree. Even though the goal has technically been awarded to
> > Sneijder, it was still clearly his mistake (glanced the header over
> > his keeper's punch). And the stomp on top of that was simply
> > inexcusable.
>
> Don't you think he'd be even guiltier of physically impeding his
> keeper from getting to the ball than heading it over the punch? And
> yet, shouldn't his keeper have called out from behind him to get him
> out of the way? Perhaps he did and I couldn't see it on the replay.

Julio Cesar was also at fault for that one, IMO. He jumped with his eyes
closed and missed the ball. It's not like it was headed over him, it went
beside him.

IIRC, some commentator during the broadcast said that the vuvuzelas' noise
might have confused the defender-goalkeeper communication. Smells like an
excuse if you ask me... why haven't we seen more goals like this in the
tournament, then?

> At any rate, I just read that Ronaldo suggested he not take his family
> on vacation anywhere in Brazil. And that is the perspective, or lack
> thereof, that I'm talking about. I don't know that this guy was
> responsible for a sudden reversal of Brazil's fortunes in this match.

You make a good point. He did make it harder to recover, though.

--
Ll�o


From: Binder Dundat on 5 Jul 2010 16:51
On Jul 5, 3:17 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 7:34 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Not a bad reception for a coach that got eliminated at the quarterfinals.
>
> > I think he showed what a great motivator he is, and a great coach.
>
> Where are you getting the "great coach" part from? Argentina were god
> awful in the qualifiers, and they beat lesser teams in the group phase
> by the virtue of some of the best attacking talent ever assembled in a
> single World Cup squad. The second they met a team of pedigree they
> were unclothed for their tactical naivety, as predicted by many.
>
> Maradona may have been enthusiastic, affable, and a spectacle, but he
> is mental neanderthal who didn't belong anywhere near the esteemed
> position that he found himself in.
>
>
>
> > Argentina did well, considering they wrote him off from the start. With a
> > bit of luck they could have gone further.

Nobody wrote him off? He is a hero in Argentina, he could do ar say
whatever he wants and no one would question him.
Are you sure you were watching the right game? Or the right team? He
had what i picked as a finalist and probable winner of a team, some of
the best attackers in the world and after going down to a goal with 90
minutes left in a game against school aged children managed to have
his team allow 3 more goals? How did he do a great job motivating
them? By claiming he would run nude through the streets of Argentina?
Oh wait, maybe that explains the lack of motivation? Not to mention
that he picked the wrong players for the team leaving behind ( or not
starting) half of the Inter team that just won the Champions league?
Unfortunately he did a bad job as a coach.

>
> More than a bit. They would've needed four strokes of luck to avoid
> defeat against Germany.

motivating his team
From: Alessandro Riolo on 5 Jul 2010 17:08
"Mark V." <markvanderv1(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 5, 9:35 am, Opry phantom <xanthus...(a)charter.net> wrote:
> ... He may suck at club level, ...

He was quite good for Fiorentina, actually a major reason for them to reach
CL.

I admit I didn't follow Fiorentina that much during that year, but everytime
I saw them, he seemed their key player really, sort of the Desailly's role
in the Milan 1993-94.

At Juve past year he was anyway definitively absymal.

--
ale
http://ale.riolo.co.uk

From: Diabolik on 5 Jul 2010 21:31

"Alkamista" <alkamista(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 5, 7:34 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> Not a bad reception for a coach that got eliminated at the quarterfinals.
>
> I think he showed what a great motivator he is, and a great coach.

> Where are you getting the "great coach" part from? Argentina were god
> awful in the qualifiers, and they beat lesser teams in the group phase
> by the virtue of some of the best attacking talent ever assembled in a
> single World Cup squad.

They did have some of the best attacking talent, but how many forwards can
you place in a team?


> The second they met a team of pedigree they
> were unclothed for their tactical naivety, as predicted by many.

Germany had a lucky break with a gol within 5 mins, then defended with 10
men behind the ball.

The other 3 gols came after trying to chase the game and replacing a
defender with a forward (Pastore).

Weather you lose by 1 or 4 gols doesn't matter.


> Maradona may have been enthusiastic, affable, and a spectacle, but he
> is mental neanderthal who didn't belong anywhere near the esteemed
> position that he found himself in.

I disagree, I think he did quite well and was suprised.


>
> Argentina did well, considering they wrote him off from the start. With a
> bit of luck they could have gone further.

> More than a bit. They would've needed four strokes of luck to avoid
> defeat against Germany.


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