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From: MH on 3 May 2010 15:50
Gabbage wrote:
> On May 3, 1:39 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RasHFGOAsUs
>>> Saw it on the Guardian.
>> Wow what a waste! He says he regrets not playing in a better league.
>>
>> I'm suprised he didn't get any offers from BIG teams.
>
> Most likely big clubs didn't know he existed. Nobody paid attention to
> the Greek league in the 70s and 80s, and he tragically played only
> once at international level. Based on Iraklis's domestic record during
> his time there, he probably didn't get to play in Europe either:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraklis_Thessaloniki_F.C.#Positioning_in_Greek_league
>
> Of course, if he had played well in that pre-season game in Bielefeld,
> MH would have posted about him here

Good point. Except there was no "here" in 1983 or 84 or whenever it was.
Al Gore had not yet invented the internet. If I recall correctly this
was even before fax machines. I got a telex (remember those?) about my
new job in Canada in 1985.



and he would have ended up at Real
> Madrid as a result of this exposure. His fault, really, for not taking
> a pre-season game seriously.
From: MH on 3 May 2010 15:57
Gabbage wrote:
> On May 3, 1:39 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RasHFGOAsUs
>>> Saw it on the Guardian.
>> Wow what a waste! He says he regrets not playing in a better league.
>>
>> I'm suprised he didn't get any offers from BIG teams.
>
> Most likely big clubs didn't know he existed. Nobody paid attention to
> the Greek league in the 70s and 80s, and he tragically played only
> once at international level. Based on Iraklis's domestic record during
> his time there, he probably didn't get to play in Europe either:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraklis_Thessaloniki_F.C.#Positioning_in_Greek_league
>
> Of course, if he had played well in that pre-season game in Bielefeld,
> MH would have posted about him here and he would have ended up at Real
> Madrid as a result of this exposure. His fault, really, for not taking
> a pre-season game seriously.

So I looked up those tournaments; no lineup for Iraklis, unfortunately.
I do remember Charlie Nicholas, Lampard senior, M�lby etc. from those
games. Thor Waterschei don't exist anymore. They amalgamated with
Winterslag to form Genk.


Ostwestfalenpokal 1983 in Bielefeld
05.08. und 07.08.1983


Halbfinale:
Bielefeld - Thor Waterschei 4:0
Ajax Amsterdam - West Ham United 3:1

Spiel um den 3. Platz:
West Ham United - Thor Waterschei 1:1 n.V. (Elfm. 3:4)

Finale:
Bielefeld - Ajax Amsterdam 2:2 n.V. (Elfm. 3:2)



Bielefeld - Thor Waterschei 4:0

Bielefeld: Kneib - Schnier, Dronia, Pohl, Ellguth (64. B�scher) -
Kompoditas, Grillemeier, Pagelsdorf (84. Butz) - Ozaki, Schr�der,
Westerwinter - Trainer: Feldkamp
Thor Waterschei: Pudelko - Bialousz, P. Plessers, Schlierer, van Kraay -
Vliegen (64. Mbiskis), P. Janssen, Klysters, Voordeckers - Gudmundsson,
R. Janssen
Tore: 1:0 Westerwinter (19.), 2:0 Schr�der (64.), 3:0 Grillemeier (83.),
4:0 Westerwinter (90.)
Zuschauer: 5.000
Gelbe Karten: -


Bielefeld - Ajax Amsterdam 2:2 n.V. (Elfmeterschie�en 3:2)

Bielefeld: Kneib - Ellguth, Schnier, Dronia (56. Butz), Pohl (59.
B�scher) - Kompoditas, Pagelsdorf, Schr�der - Grillemeier, Ozaki,
Westerwinter - Trainer: Feldkamp
Ajax Amsterdam: Aufstellung nicht bekannt
Tore: 1:0 Schr�der (40.), 1:1 M�lby (44.), 1:2 Koeman (52. Elfmeter),
2:2 Pagelsdorf (63. Elfmeter)
Elfmeter: Ophof verschie�t, 1:0 Schnier, 1:1 Koeman, 2:1 Ozaki, 2:2
M�lby, 3:2 Westerwinter, Molenaar verschie�t, Pagelsdorf verschie�t,
Schoenaker verschie�t
Zuschauer: 15.000
Gelbe Karten: -









Ostwestfalenpokal 1984 in Bielefeld
10.08. und 12.08.1984


Halbfinale:
Bielefeld - Lokomotive Leipzig 2:2 n.V. (Elfm. 3:2)
Arsenal London - Iraklis Thessaloniki 3:1

Spiel um den 3. Platz:
Lokomotive Leipzig - Iraklis Thessaloniki 5:2

Finale:
Bielefeld - Arsenal London 0:1



Bielefeld - Lokomotive Leipzig 2:2 n.V. (Elfmeterschie�en 3:2)

Bielefeld: Kneib - Dronia, Wohlers, Pohl, Schnier - Foda, K�hlhorn,
Rautiainen, M. Butz (62. Ellguth) - Pater, Reich - Trainer: Roggensack
Lokomotive Leipzig: M�ller - Treske, Baum, Altmann - Bredow (62.
Greiner), Lindner, Moldt, Liebers, Sch�ne - Richter, K�hn (64.
Marschall) - Trainer: Miller
Tor: 1:0 Reich (11.), 2:0 Reich (28.), 2:1 Liebers (64., Elfmeter), 2:2
Altmann (84.)
Elfmeterschie�en: Schnier, Foda, K�hlhorn (Kneib h�lt zwei Elfmeter)
Zuschauer: 7.000
Gelbe Karten: Richter, Lindner, Moldt, Baum


Bielefeld - Arsenal London 0:1

Bielefeld: Kneib - Dronia, Wohlers, Pohl, Schnier - K�hlhorn (57.
Weber), Foda, Ellguth, Rautiainen - Westerwinter (57. Pater), Reich -
Trainer: Roggensack
Arsenal London: Jennings - Anderson, Sansom, Talbot, O'Leary - Caton,
Robson, Nicholas - Mariner, Davies (84. Cork), Allison
Tor: 0:1 Mariner (55.)
Zuschauer: 7.000
Gelbe Karten: Pohl, Wohlers - Robson, O'Leary, Allison

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