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From: El Kot on 11 Nov 2009 19:04 JohnB wrote: > On 11 Nov, 05:46, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote: >> "El Kot" <nono.black.e...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:hdbal8$457$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> Jussi Uosukainen wrote: >>>> Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote: >>>>> On 09 Nov 2009 22:01:48 GMT, Jussi Uosukainen wrote... >>>>>> 2 - 2 Gerrard (pen) >>>>> No comment on Ngog's dive? >>>> Ngog dived to win a penalty. >>> I think this is one of these strange controversial cases. >> controversial? lol. He was no-where near the defending player. >> >>> True, Ngog was not tripped, he fell on his own accord. But the reason he >>> was not tripped is because he jumped to avoid being tripped. >> He didn't have to jump because he was no-where near the defending player. >> >>> The defender most certainly did not get the ball. >> Yes he did! He touched the ball. > > This just goes to show how several people can watch the same incident > and all see different things. I saw NGog touch the ball past Carsley's > leg and then attempt to jump over it. What was in his mind when he > went to ground I can't say (and only NGog can). However, some players > would not have attempted the jump, would simply have allowed a > trailing foot to catch Carsley's leg, and hey presto, penalty. That's exactly what I saw and how I saw it, too, and that's why I wrote what I wrote. I did /not/ see the defender touch the ball. If he had, it would not have been a penalty, of course. > So, that's what I saw. Others obviously saw something different. I > don't believe the referee has yet explained what he thought he saw. > What we know is that someone cried "Dive! Cheat!" and the papers have > started another witch hunt. One broadsheet claimed it was the worst > dive he'd ever seen. Well, he can't have watched much football then. > > I recall a game several years ago when Robbie Fowler was playing for > Liverpool. He took the ball past the keeper and jumped over him. > However he lost his balance in the process and fell to the ground. > Referee gave a penalty and Fowler himself said "he never touched me". > Referee said that it was still a foul challenge because Fowler had had > to take evasive action. Very good point, exactly what I've been talking about. Thanks for mentioning it - I, not being a Pool fan, obviously didn't know about this case. -- No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
From: El Kot on 11 Nov 2009 19:07 Diabolik wrote: > "El Kot" <nono.black.elko(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hdbal8$457$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Jussi Uosukainen wrote: >>> Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote: >>>> On 09 Nov 2009 22:01:48 GMT, Jussi Uosukainen wrote... >>>> >>>>> 2 - 2 Gerrard (pen) >>>> No comment on Ngog's dive? >>> Ngog dived to win a penalty. >> I think this is one of these strange controversial cases. > > controversial? lol. He was no-where near the defending player. Nowhere near as in right next to him? >> True, Ngog was not tripped, he fell on his own accord. But the reason he >> was not tripped is because he jumped to avoid being tripped. > > He didn't have to jump because he was no-where near the defending player. If he had not jumped, he would have tripped. >> The defender most certainly did not get the ball. > > Yes he did! He touched the ball. No, he didn't. -- No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
From: El Kot on 11 Nov 2009 19:12 Benny wrote: > > Subject : Liverpool - Birmingham [R] 9.11.09 > > From : anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com > > > Yes, he dived. That's not the point. The point is, if he had to jump > > to avoid the tackle, then that tackle was illegal to begin with, and > > should have been penalized in some way. > > Rubbish. When was tackling outlawed? Ngog jumped and dived, he didn't > jump to get out of the way of the tackle. Who is to say Carsley would > not have won the ball? He didn't run at velocity, he didn't have his > studs showing and as I recall correctly he seemed to motion to make a > tackle then pulled out. Not a tackle, not a penalty. The only difference between a tackle and a foul is, if the tackler gets the ball. In this case, the defender didn't. Got ball - tackle; didn't - foul. Clear and simple. That's one of the reasons I personally dislike tackles and wish they were outlawed, but it's a topic for another discussion. -- No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
From: Diabolik on 11 Nov 2009 20:49 "El Kot" <nono.black.elko(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:hdfjk5$ce3$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Diabolik wrote: >> "El Kot" <nono.black.elko(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hdbal8$457$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Jussi Uosukainen wrote: >>>> Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote: >>>>> On 09 Nov 2009 22:01:48 GMT, Jussi Uosukainen wrote... >>>>> >>>>>> 2 - 2 Gerrard (pen) >>>>> No comment on Ngog's dive? >>>> Ngog dived to win a penalty. >>> I think this is one of these strange controversial cases. >> >> controversial? lol. He was no-where near the defending player. > > Nowhere near as in right next to him? Yeah. > > >>> True, Ngog was not tripped, he fell on his own accord. But the reason he >>> was not tripped is because he jumped to avoid being tripped. >> >> He didn't have to jump because he was no-where near the defending player. > > If he had not jumped, he would have tripped. Nah...he could have *easily* avoided the defender. He was in mid air before he even got the the defender. Very soft penalty. > >>> The defender most certainly did not get the ball. >> >> Yes he did! He touched the ball. > > No, he didn't. Looking at it again the defender didn't touch the ball. Doesn't change anything though. It was still a very soft penalty.
From: Benny on 12 Nov 2009 12:05 > Subject : Liverpool - Birmingham [R] 9.11.09 > From : nono.black.elko(a)gmail.com > The only difference between a tackle and a foul is, if the tackler > gets the ball. In this case, the defender didn't. Got ball - tackle; > didn't - foul. Clear and simple. In this case the defender didn't make a tackle or commit a foul. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
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