From: Binder Dundat on
On Nov 10, 1:30 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 12:25 pm, Binder Dundat <dun...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dietmar Hamman was a player who rarely made the 50 yard through >pass but he rarely gave the ball away. I think they need someone like
> > Hamman to retain possession make simple passes and slow things >down instead of always looking for the low percentage pass trying to >create a scoring chance.
>
> Hmm......

This is a true story, no really
The ECL final a few years back between AC Milan and Liverpool I was
watching it with a couple of Liverpool fans and I was the Milan fan
and as we all know Milan went up 3-0 and controlled the game for the
1st half and then some. But when Hamman came on in the second half it
was still 3-0 and I half seriously said " Oh no, now Liverpool is
going to come back and win it" and the thing is I kind of beleived it
at the time. OK i had been drinking Wild Turkey and Cuban Rum all
afternoon, but....
From: Benny on
> Subject : Liverpool - Birmingham [R] 9.11.09
> From : anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com

> Yes, he dived. That's not the point. The point is, if he had to jump
> to avoid the tackle, then that tackle was illegal to begin with, and
> should have been penalized in some way.

Rubbish. When was tackling outlawed? Ngog jumped and dived, he didn't
jump to get out of the way of the tackle. Who is to say Carsley would
not have won the ball? He didn't run at velocity, he didn't have his
studs showing and as I recall correctly he seemed to motion to make a
tackle then pulled out. Not a tackle, not a penalty.


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From: Diabolik on

"El Kot" <nono.black.elko(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hdbal8$457$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>> Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote:
>>> On 09 Nov 2009 22:01:48 GMT, Jussi Uosukainen wrote...
>>>
>>>> 2 - 2 Gerrard (pen)
>>> No comment on Ngog's dive?
>>
>> Ngog dived to win a penalty.
>
> I think this is one of these strange controversial cases.

controversial? lol. He was no-where near the defending player.



> True, Ngog was not tripped, he fell on his own accord. But the reason he
> was not tripped is because he jumped to avoid being tripped.

He didn't have to jump because he was no-where near the defending player.

> The defender most certainly did not get the ball.

Yes he did! He touched the ball.


From: JohnB on
On 11 Nov, 05:46, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote:
> "El Kot" <nono.black.e...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hdbal8$457$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
> >> Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote:
> >>> On 09 Nov 2009 22:01:48 GMT, Jussi Uosukainen wrote...
>
> >>>> 2 - 2 Gerrard (pen)
> >>> No comment on Ngog's dive?
>
> >> Ngog dived to win a penalty.
>
> >     I think this is one of these strange controversial cases.
>
> controversial? lol. He was no-where near the defending player.
>
> > True, Ngog was not tripped, he fell on his own accord. But the reason he
> > was not tripped is because he jumped to avoid being tripped.
>
> He didn't have to jump because he was no-where near the defending player.
>
> > The defender most certainly did not get the ball.
>
> Yes he did! He touched the ball.

This just goes to show how several people can watch the same incident
and all see different things. I saw NGog touch the ball past Carsley's
leg and then attempt to jump over it. What was in his mind when he
went to ground I can't say (and only NGog can). However, some players
would not have attempted the jump, would simply have allowed a
trailing foot to catch Carsley's leg, and hey presto, penalty.

So, that's what I saw. Others obviously saw something different. I
don't believe the referee has yet explained what he thought he saw.
What we know is that someone cried "Dive! Cheat!" and the papers have
started another witch hunt. One broadsheet claimed it was the worst
dive he'd ever seen. Well, he can't have watched much football then.

I recall a game several years ago when Robbie Fowler was playing for
Liverpool. He took the ball past the keeper and jumped over him.
However he lost his balance in the process and fell to the ground.
Referee gave a penalty and Fowler himself said "he never touched me".
Referee said that it was still a foul challenge because Fowler had had
to take evasive action.

You may think it's cut and dried. Others (me included) don't.
But we probably all wear blinkers of one colour or another...
From: ken.overton on
On Nov 10, 6:22 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote:
>  > Subject : Liverpool - Birmingham [R] 9.11.09
>  > From : anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com
>
>  >     Yes, he dived. That's not the point. The point is, if he had to jump
>  > to avoid the tackle, then that tackle was illegal to begin with, and
>  > should have been penalized in some way.
>
> Rubbish. When was tackling outlawed?

The fact that he started with "Yes, he dived. That's not the point"
should probably indicate that you need not bother.