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From: Manx Gunner on 23 Jun 2010 14:50 On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:47:00 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista wrote... > > > > Complete nonsense. Given very clearly deliberately grabbed Anelka by > > > > the ankle and tripped him. You're seeing what you want to see. > > > > > Watch the replay again and keep your eye on his right foot. > > > > No, you watch it again and keep your eye on Given's hands. > > > > He *grabs* Anelka's ankle. > > He grabs his left foot while the right foot is already going airborne. Regardless of what you think of Anelka's supposed diving (which I say is utter nonsense), Given very clearly deliberately cheats. Irish fans who ignore this while bleating endlessly about Thierry Henry need to be hit over the head with a fresh fish until they shut up.
From: Bob on 23 Jun 2010 15:39 Alkamista wrote: > On Jun 22, 3:37 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >> Alkamista wrote: >>> On Jun 22, 3:02 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>>> Alkamista wrote: >>>>> On Jun 22, 1:50 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>>>>> Alkamista wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:53 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Alkamista wrote: >>>>>>>>> Either way, I agree they are overrated. England's recent >>>>>>>>> coaches have been chronically unable to make this current >>>>>>>>> crop of stars play like a cohesive unit. Lord kows what the >>>>>>>>> reason is, every armchair expert has an opinion on why. >> >>>>>>>> They should get a new manager and pay him 10 times what >>>>>>>> Domenech makes. It'll fix everything, right? >> >>>>>>> Are you looking to clutch at every available straw in Domenech's >>>>>>> defense? >> >>>>>> The pointlessness of cycling through managers has been at the >>>>>> core of my argument for as long as we have exchanged barbs about >>>>>> this. >> >>>>> It's not so black and white. Managers aren't everything but they >>>>> aren't nothing either. >> >>>>>> Clearly you aren't a good listener. >> >>>>> Really? I thought you were on a crusade against the media, and how >>>>> lesser minds (unlike your's) are controlled by it. >> >>>> and? I don't follow your logic. >>>> Are you seriously contesting that media propaganda is very >>>> successful. >> >>> No, I dont doubt it. I do take serious exception to you to implying >>> that everyone who disagrees with you here is media influenced, as >>> if, to quote Thach, you have some direct line to the truth that >>> others dont. You have been doing this for years. >> >> Bullshit. I can't be blamed for trolls claiming they don't see what >> everyone with normal eyesight and minimal good faith can see. > > No, on the contrary, quite the fact. Not everyone is a troll and not > everyone sees the world the way you do and not everyone is dumber than > you. What makes you believe I think any differently? Because, I consider those that deny the evidence seen on a couple of videos totally incompetent for some reason (poor eyesight, poor thinking, bad faith, etc ..)? Either you are pulling my leg or Nasty Chagney has you by the balls for regurgitating his tripe. I am one of the fairest minded poster here. I am very tolerant of other cultural perspectives. I express only admiration for players of all sides, except for the few that appear to be systematic cheats. I readily admit not knowing much about many aspect of football even though I have been around it for my entire life. >>>> To >>>> remain on topic, just consider the blitzkrieg of disinformation >>>> about the France-Ireland match and how many people bought it. >> >>> I dont want to get into this argument >> >> of course you don't. Like everybody else around here who would rather >> regurgitate anglo media propaganda. Go figure. > > You're starting to sound like the guy who was "abducted by aliens" > with your obsession with the "anglo media propoganda." I have not > brought this up even once since it first happened. So get a grip and > get your facts straight. We clearly don't have the same sensibilities. I happen to strongly believe that corporate anglo media denigrates any other cultural perspective to enforce a global neoliberal model. If you want to discuss the details of what it means we can do that too. > And I didnt want to talk about because I am sick of hearing it. The > same reason you profess, but rarely adhere to. I never brought it up, *ever*. >> , but I think there are >> >>> qualitative differences between the Henry and Given incidents, and I >>> say this based on nothing but the video evidence available to me for >>> both incidents. >> >> There are no qualitative differences of importance. Both cheated >> purposefully and decisively.- > > I'll state my views on this one last time. In the Given incident there > may have been contact but Anelka clearly dove as well, so there were > no angels there. On the balance of things Ireland suffered the greater > injustice. Completely untrue. Anelka doesn't start falling until Given grabs his ankle and twists his foot at 90deg. to the direction of travel. Your pretending otherwise tells me that you haven't really studied the video or for some reason you don't want to admit that Given cheated as deliberately as Henry cheated.
From: Bob on 23 Jun 2010 16:30 Manx Gunner wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:47:00 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista wrote... > >>>>> Complete nonsense. Given very clearly deliberately grabbed Anelka >>>>> by the ankle and tripped him. You're seeing what you want to see. >>> >>>> Watch the replay again and keep your eye on his right foot. >>> >>> No, you watch it again and keep your eye on Given's hands. >>> >>> He *grabs* Anelka's ankle. >> >> He grabs his left foot while the right foot is already going >> airborne. The right foot should be expected to be airborne before the left one hits the ground since grabbing someone's foot while they run is going to prevent it from hitting the ground as early as it should. I have looked at the high def sequence frame by frame and I can guarantee that Anelka starts falling when Given grabs his foot. > > Regardless of what you think of Anelka's supposed diving (which I say > is utter nonsense), The "he started falling before the foul" is the classic last refuge of scoundrels when they can't deny the foul anymore yet don't want to acknowledge the consequences. It also turns out to be invariably false when looking at the video carefully. > Given very clearly deliberately cheats. Irish > fans who ignore this while bleating endlessly about Thierry Henry > need to be hit over the head with a fresh fish until they shut up.
From: Alkamista on 23 Jun 2010 16:44 On Jun 23, 4:30 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > > The right foot should be expected to be airborne before the left one hits > the ground since grabbing someone's foot while they run is going to prevent > it from hitting the ground as early as it should. I have looked at the high > def sequence frame by frame and I can guarantee that Anelka starts falling > when Given grabs his foot. You cant "guarantee" anything because you are not the authority on anything, except maybe in your mind. If the left foot is impeded then the natural relflex inclination of the right would be to come down on the ground to break the fall. Anelka clearly anticipated the possibility of contact and went on to make a meal out of the situation.
From: Bob on 23 Jun 2010 17:15
Alkamista wrote: > On Jun 23, 4:30 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >> >> The right foot should be expected to be airborne before the left one >> hits the ground since grabbing someone's foot while they run is >> going to prevent it from hitting the ground as early as it should. I >> have looked at the high def sequence frame by frame and I can >> guarantee that Anelka starts falling when Given grabs his foot. > > You cant "guarantee" anything because you are not the authority on > anything, except maybe in your mind. LOL Do you want to be a blowhard? Let's see how much of a blowhard you want to be: $1000 that Anelka starts falling only after Given grabs his foot. Come on ... don't be like the punks who never took my offer about Malouda. If the left foot is impeded then > the natural relflex inclination of the right would be to come down on > the ground to break the fall. well, nobody knows how Anelka "should" have reacted at having his run stopped by Given grabbing his ankle. Moreover, Given does a scissor motion with his legs and traps Anelka's other foot. Anelka clearly anticipated the > possibility of contact and went on to make a meal out of the > situation. Dude, it's now obvious you're in bad faith. My opinion of you went down by a considerable amount. |