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From: Alex Heney on 6 Apr 2010 19:43
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:08:15 -0700 (PDT), Quincy <abydr(a)email.de>
wrote:

>On 5 Apr., 23:01, Big Les Wade <L...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Alex Heney <m...(a)privacy.net> posted
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:31:36 +0100, Big Les Wade <L...(a)nowhere.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>Alex Heney <m...(a)privacy.net> posted
>> >>>But the rule requiring a red card for *any* foul which prevents a
>> >>>clear goal scoring opportunity is simple wrong, I agree.
>>
>> >>That isn't the rule. The only fouls which *require* the ref to send the
>> >>player off in these circumstances are holding and handball. For all
>> >>other fouls, it's up to the ref's discretion.
>>
>> >Sorry Les, but that is simply not true. I wish it was.
>>
>> >From
>> >http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/81/42/36/lawsoft
>> >hegameen.pdf
>>
>> >Page number 35 (page 37 of the pdf), under Sending-Off Offences
>> >--------------------------------
>> >denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
>> >towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
>> >penalty kick
>> >-----------------------------------
>>
>> Yes, but that section does not say that the player *must* be sent off
>> for that offence. Only "A player, substitute or substituted player is
>> sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:"
>>
>> I agree that (like all previous versions of the FA rules) it is
>> ambiguous on its own. However you have to take it in conjunction with
>> other sections where it is made clear that handling and holding to
>> prevent a goal qualify as sending-off offences; for other fouls, it is
>> not stated.
>
>I still don't get it. Before there was the roal for such a goal-
>preventing foul:
>
>Free kick + Red card
>OR
>Penalty + Yellow card
>
>I found this very consistent and don't know why it should be changed.

It was never part of the rules.

Nor was it ever a correct way to apply the rules.

When they first brought in the rule, it was that any *deliberate*
offence preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity was a red card -
regardless of whether the offence occurred inside or outside the
penalty area.
--
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From: Alex Heney on 7 Apr 2010 17:37
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT), Quincy <abydr(a)email.de>
wrote:

>On 7 Apr., 01:43, Alex Heney <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:08:15 -0700 (PDT), Quincy <ab...(a)email.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 5 Apr., 23:01, Big Les Wade <L...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >> Alex Heney <m...(a)privacy.net> posted
>>
>> >> >On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:31:36 +0100, Big Les Wade <L...(a)nowhere.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >>Alex Heney <m...(a)privacy.net> posted
>> >> >>>But the rule requiring a red card for *any* foul which prevents a
>> >> >>>clear goal scoring opportunity is simple wrong, I agree.
>>
>> >> >>That isn't the rule. The only fouls which *require* the ref to send the
>> >> >>player off in these circumstances are holding and handball. For all
>> >> >>other fouls, it's up to the ref's discretion.
>>
>> >> >Sorry Les, but that is simply not true. I wish it was.
>>
>> >> >From
>> >> >http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/81/42/36/lawsoft
>> >> >hegameen.pdf
>>
>> >> >Page number 35 (page 37 of the pdf), under Sending-Off Offences
>> >> >--------------------------------
>> >> >denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
>> >> >towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
>> >> >penalty kick
>> >> >-----------------------------------
>>
>> >> Yes, but that section does not say that the player *must* be sent off
>> >> for that offence. Only "A player, substitute or substituted player is
>> >> sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:"
>>
>> >> I agree that (like all previous versions of the FA rules) it is
>> >> ambiguous on its own. However you have to take it in conjunction with
>> >> other sections where it is made clear that handling and holding to
>> >> prevent a goal qualify as sending-off offences; for other fouls, it is
>> >> not stated.
>>
>> >I still don't get it. Before there was the roal for such a goal-
>> >preventing foul:
>>
>> >Free kick + Red card
>> >OR
>> >Penalty + Yellow card
>>
>> >I found this very consistent and don't know why it should be changed.
>>
>> It was never part of the rules.
>>
>> Nor was it ever a correct way to apply the rules.
>>
>> When they first brought in the rule, it was that any *deliberate*
>> offence preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity was a red card -
>> regardless of whether the offence occurred inside or outside the
>> penalty area.
>
>So then post a link where a player got a red AND a penalty before -
>let's say- 1990!

So you want me to post a link to a football story on the internet from
before said internet really got started.

And from a time which IIRC is before the relevant rule was first
introduced anyhow?

What is your point?
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
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