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From: Clément on 21 Jun 2010 10:51
On Jun 21, 11:27 am, (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> Werner Pichler wrote:
>
> : All that whining over referees has gone way out
> : of hand. And while the Italians might have started
> : it all back in 2002, they are no longer the main
> : culprits.
>
> I hope you're not talking about the US...  we moved on pretty fast.

I'm not sure it has anything to do with nationality anymore (assuming
it ever did).

Abraço,

Luiz Mello
From: Diabolik on 21 Jun 2010 10:53

"Quincy" <abydr(a)email.de> wrote in message
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> On 20 Jun., 21:20, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
>> A reasoned Italian voice
>
> That is already impossible because a paradox.

A dumb cross poster is a paradox.

From: Bob on 21 Jun 2010 11:57
Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Jun 20, 10:20 pm, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
>> A reasoned Italian voice with a finite sense of perspective. Ale is
>> here but is getting drowned out. Daniele too. We used to have a
>> couple of guys from Torino here, not sure where they went off to...
>
> My sense of perspective: this is the worst Italian team ever, and I've
> been saying this since well before the WC began. My expectations are
> so low that I didn't even get particularly upset at yesterday's
> result.

They didn't play badly yesterday. They lack creativity but they had quite a
few half-chances. The NZers should be creditied for having played a great
defensive game.

>
> As for the flame wars, I'm happy to stay out of them.

It's not possible to give your opinion without staying out of flame wars?

Anyway, there aren't many flame wars. Or at least, not yet.



From: Mehdi on 21 Jun 2010 14:21
> Subject : In this NG I would like to see...
> From : bds(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de

> Fair enough. they may still pick it up but as you and Benny have been
> reporting they are missing several elements. The main force seems to be
> that guy who hit the post and the shot that was heroically saved today.
> But the Gattuso and Totti/Pirlo types are missing (I guess Pirlo is
> there but as good as absent these days).

We had low expectations going in and appear to have a similar level of
apathy to this team. It was bad defending, regardless of whether it was
offside. Leadership is another thing missing. Cannavaro? Bad captain. In
the press he claimed no responsibility for the goal.


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From: Futbolmetrix on 21 Jun 2010 17:37
On Jun 21, 6:57 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote:
>
> They didn't play badly yesterday. They lack creativity but they had quite a
> few half-chances.

In 180 minutes of football, I don't think Italy has been able to
produce a single shot on goal from inside the penalty box. That's not
going to get you very far.

>
> > As for the flame wars, I'm happy to stay out of them.
>
> It's not possible to give your opinion without staying out of flame wars?

De Rossi made a meal out of the slightest shirt pull and earned a
penalty.

As for the NZ goal, my impression is that it did deflect off Reid's
head, but I'm not going to get into a 200-post battle of HD, SuperHD
and SuperDuper HD videos. Linesmen blow offside calls almost 50% of
the time, so there's no point in getting hung up on this.

D
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