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From: higgs on 30 Jun 2010 09:55 On Jun 30, 11:52 pm, HASM <netn...(a)invalid.com> wrote: > Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > On Jun 30, 11:08 pm, Sven Mischkies <hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net> > > Subs are allowed but only on one's own throw-in. > > Substitutions are allowed at every stoppage of play. > > -- HASM Common wisdom is that you don't substitute during a corner, though you'd be surprised how many actually do
From: higgs on 30 Jun 2010 09:59 On Jun 30, 11:29 pm, Clément <lcmello.lis...(a)terra.com.br> wrote: > "Abubakr" escreveu: > > > > >On Jun 30, 10:49 pm, Cl ment wrote: > >> I'm too busy to check the ice hockey rules right not, but from the top of > >> my > >> mind the "and anything that happened afterwards... has not happened" > >> situation does not apply to (disciplinary) penalties. > > >> In the hypothetical situation you describe, Germany would not be > >> warranted a > >> free kick (as they would have to resume the match from center field after > >> the goal), but Terry should get a card from the bone-crunching tackle - > >> which is only showed after the first whistle anyway, when the match is > >> already stopped. > > >> Compare that with a cardable foul commited when the ball is out of play. > >> The > >> referre cannot call the foul per se, but he still must punish the > >> offending > >> with a card. It's basically the same thing, except that in the rewind > >> situation some action is considered to be "out of play" retroactively. > >But this is would still be a problem since the untimeliness of the > >decision (to bring the play back) would have been a major contributing > >factor to Terry's tackle (and probable sending off) and in Klose's > >needing his bones to be set again. > > I agree there's a solid consistency argument to be made against such a rule. > > But then again we might wonder how important is this concern, if we realize > players are not allowed to hurt other players (or even risk doing so) > regardless of the ball being in play or not. This reasoning could easily be > extended to a hypothetical situation in which some plays could be "erased" > for every other purpose. In other words, I'm not too worried about the > perceived unfairness of carding our "Terry" here. > > The "Klose" situation is a problem, and perhaps could be avoided by > implementing a better review system. On the other hand, one might assume > that with no review/rewinding system, the injury would have happened anyway. > > For full disclosure, I'm not sure such a system would work well in football. > For one, the first whistle could take too much time to happen, unless the > referee could somehow stop the match at his discretion (which could create > other kinds of trouble). Theoretically, the first whistle could take too > long in hockey as well, but I believe it's more of an issue in football. > > Abra o, > > Luiz Mello It works like this: Goal-line ref raises flag, play stops. Goal is awarded, or penalty is given. Or if play has stopped, due to ref blowing for penalty, he consults linesman (as he would do normally), and also consults goal line ref If Goal-line ref doesn't raise flag, umpire carries on as he would normally
From: Paul C on 30 Jun 2010 10:08 "higgs" <kenhiggs8(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:752c029e-0f83-4e27-b515-b73e7463e2e2(a)i9g2000prn.googlegroups.com... On Jun 30, 11:52 pm, HASM <netn...(a)invalid.com> wrote: > Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > On Jun 30, 11:08 pm, Sven Mischkies <hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net> > > Subs are allowed but only on one's own throw-in. > > Substitutions are allowed at every stoppage of play. > > -- HASM Common wisdom is that you don't substitute during a corner, though you'd be surprised how many actually do I've never understood why there has to be a delay for a substitution. Surely the 4th official can manage substitutions, ensuring a new player enters the field of play after another has left. Why does the referee have to stop the game?
From: Sven Mischkies on 30 Jun 2010 10:28 On Jun 30, 3:09 pm, "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKa...(a)Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote: > higgs <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in rec.sport.soccer: > > Common wisdom is that you don't substitute during a corner, though > > you'd be surprised how many actually do > > Why is that "common wisdom"? Loss of momentum? A delay for player change > in a corner would unnerve the defense more than the offense, wouldn't it? > > Or just a tradition? You better not substitute a player while _defending_ corner. Sometimes it confuses who marks who and you concede from the corner. Ciao, SM
From: Werner Pichler on 30 Jun 2010 10:39
On 30 Jun., 16:28, Sven Mischkies <hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote: > On Jun 30, 3:09 pm, "Winston Smith, American Patriot" > > <FranzKa...(a)Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote: > > higgs <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in rec.sport.soccer: > > > Common wisdom is that you don't substitute during a corner, though > > > you'd be surprised how many actually do > > > Why is that "common wisdom"? Loss of momentum? A delay for player change > > in a corner would unnerve the defense more than the offense, wouldn't it? > > > Or just a tradition? > > You better not substitute a player while _defending_ corner. Sometimes > it confuses who marks who and you concede from the corner. > > Ciao, > SM And most of all, you don't make a substitution when your own player is preparing to shoot a penalty. Isn't that right, Mr. Lagerbäck? Ciao, Werner |