From: milivella on
Jesper Lauridsen:

> On 2010-06-15, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jesper Lauridsen:
>
> >> Where do the 736 players play?
>
> >> 117 England
> >> 85 Germany
> >> 80 Italy
>
> > [snip]
>
> > Chances are that you can reply in less than one minute (if it's not
> > the case, forget about it): what happens if you weight each player,
> > using as weight the chances to win the cup that RSS collective mind
> > has assigned to his NT?
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/de4fff7751bf828e
> > E.g. each Spanish player counts 0.1893, each North Korean 0.0033.
>
> That does change things around a bit:

Thanks a lot. You are awesome!

> Spain 5.2821
> England 4.8841
> Italy 3.5464
> Germany 3.2153
> Netherlands 1.1096
> France 0.9043
> Portugal 0.7340
> Argentina 0.6813
> Brazil 0.4619

It looks even better than before, doesn't it?

> When I was just counting players, 75% were UEFA based. In this "quality"
> index, 91% are UEFA based.

91% berths to UEFA! ;)

> Top-25 for clubs:
>
> Barcelona 1.6766
> Real Madrid 1.3522
> Liverpool 1.1096
> Bayern Munich 0.9063
> Valencia 0.8080
> Internazionale 0.7763
> Chelsea 0.6261
> Roma 0.6010
> Tottenham 0.5841
> Manchester City 0.5371
> Hamburg 0.5253
> Juventus 0.4956
> Arsenal 0.4709
> Benfica 0.4456
> Milan 0.4203
> Manchester U 0.3982

The 10-big-clubs-that-everybody-cites-as-powerhouses (the English ex-
big-4, the 3 Italian Northern teams, Barca+Real and Bayern) are all in
the top 16. And the other 6 clubs, with the exception of Hamburg, are
arguably among the almost-powerhouses or powerhouses-that-will-be.

These top 16 teams own more than 50% of the quality at the WC (11.73
out of 23.00).

--
Cheers
milivella
From: Jesper Lauridsen on
On 2010-06-19, milivella <milivella(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Jesper Lauridsen:
>
>> On 2010-06-15, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Jesper Lauridsen:
>>
>> >> Where do the 736 players play?
>>
>> >> 117 England
>> >> 85 Germany
>> >> 80 Italy
>>
>> > [snip]
>>
>> > Chances are that you can reply in less than one minute (if it's not
>> > the case, forget about it): what happens if you weight each player,
>> > using as weight the chances to win the cup that RSS collective mind
>> > has assigned to his NT?
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/de4fff7751bf828e
>> > E.g. each Spanish player counts 0.1893, each North Korean 0.0033.
>>
>> That does change things around a bit:
>
> Thanks a lot. You are awesome!
>
>> Spain 5.2821
>> England 4.8841
>> Italy 3.5464
>> Germany 3.2153
>> Netherlands 1.1096
>> France 0.9043
>> Portugal 0.7340
>> Argentina 0.6813
>> Brazil 0.4619
>
> It looks even better than before, doesn't it?

I also did one with the number of caps factored in, but that didn't change
anything.

After the group stage, I'll do a list based on WC points.

>> When I was just counting players, 75% were UEFA based. In this "quality"
>> index, 91% are UEFA based.
>
> 91% berths to UEFA! ;)

We better get a third opinion. I wonder what anders would say.

>> Top-25 for clubs:
>>
>> Barcelona 1.6766
>> Real Madrid 1.3522
>> Liverpool 1.1096
>> Bayern Munich 0.9063
>> Valencia 0.8080
>> Internazionale 0.7763
>> Chelsea 0.6261
>> Roma 0.6010
>> Tottenham 0.5841
>> Manchester City 0.5371
>> Hamburg 0.5253
>> Juventus 0.4956
>> Arsenal 0.4709
>> Benfica 0.4456
>> Milan 0.4203
>> Manchester U 0.3982
>
> The 10-big-clubs-that-everybody-cites-as-powerhouses (the English ex-
> big-4, the 3 Italian Northern teams, Barca+Real and Bayern) are all in
> the top 16. And the other 6 clubs, with the exception of Hamburg, are
> arguably among the almost-powerhouses or powerhouses-that-will-be.

The credibility of the club list is hurt by the ranking of Man Utd.
From: El Kot on
Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
> On 2010-06-19, milivella <milivella(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jesper Lauridsen:
>>> On 2010-06-15, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Jesper Lauridsen:
>>>
>>>>> Where do the 736 players play?
>>>>> 117 England
>>>>> 85 Germany
>>>>> 80 Italy
>>>> [snip]
>>>> Chances are that you can reply in less than one minute (if it's not
>>>> the case, forget about it): what happens if you weight each player,
>>>> using as weight the chances to win the cup that RSS collective mind
>>>> has assigned to his NT?
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/de4fff7751bf828e
>>>> E.g. each Spanish player counts 0.1893, each North Korean 0.0033.
>>> That does change things around a bit:
>> Thanks a lot. You are awesome!
>>
>>> Spain 5.2821
>>> England 4.8841
>>> Italy 3.5464
>>> Germany 3.2153
>>> Netherlands 1.1096
>>> France 0.9043
>>> Portugal 0.7340
>>> Argentina 0.6813
>>> Brazil 0.4619
>> It looks even better than before, doesn't it?
>
> I also did one with the number of caps factored in, but that didn't change
> anything.
>
> After the group stage, I'll do a list based on WC points.
>
>>> When I was just counting players, 75% were UEFA based. In this "quality"
>>> index, 91% are UEFA based.
>> 91% berths to UEFA! ;)
>
> We better get a third opinion. I wonder what anders would say.


Do all WC's always in Europe. :)


>>> Top-25 for clubs:
>>>
>>> Barcelona 1.6766
>>> Real Madrid 1.3522
>>> Liverpool 1.1096
>>> Bayern Munich 0.9063
>>> Valencia 0.8080
>>> Internazionale 0.7763
>>> Chelsea 0.6261
>>> Roma 0.6010
>>> Tottenham 0.5841
>>> Manchester City 0.5371
>>> Hamburg 0.5253
>>> Juventus 0.4956
>>> Arsenal 0.4709
>>> Benfica 0.4456
>>> Milan 0.4203
>>> Manchester U 0.3982
>> The 10-big-clubs-that-everybody-cites-as-powerhouses (the English ex-
>> big-4, the 3 Italian Northern teams, Barca+Real and Bayern) are all in
>> the top 16. And the other 6 clubs, with the exception of Hamburg, are
>> arguably among the almost-powerhouses or powerhouses-that-will-be.
>
> The credibility of the club list is hurt by the ranking of Man Utd.


--
No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
From: Werner Pichler on
On 16 Jun., 01:29, Jesper Lauridsen <rorsc...(a)sorrystofanet.dk> wrote:
> On 2010-06-10, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jesper Lauridsen:
>
> >> Where do the 736 players play?
>
> > Very interesting. Thanks a lot!
>
> One statistic I would like to see, is where the starting players play.
> Team, league, confederation. With stats for both the first round and
> for the round of 16.
>

Here are the stats for the round of 16:

The starting players in June 2010 played in:

England 36
Germany 28
Spain 28
Italy 12
France 10
Japan 9
Mexico 9
Portugal 9
Netherlands 8
South Korea 4
Argentina 3
Russia 3
Turkey 3
United States 3
Greece 2
Chile 1
Czech Republic 1
Norway 1
Paraguay 1
Poland 1
Saudi-Arabia 1
Scotland 1
Switzerland 1
Uruguay 1


UEFA: 144 (81,8% / +1,4% compared to the 1st round of group matches)
AFC: 14 (8,0% / +0,3%)
CONCACAF: 12 (6,8% / +2,5%)
CONMEBOL: 6 (3,4% / +0,3%)
CAF: 0 (-2,6%)
OFC: 0 (-1,1%)
Unattached: 0 (-0,9%)


Clubs with most players in starting XI in the round of 16:

Barcelona 8 (-1 compared to the 1st round of group matches)
Liverpool 7 (+1)
Bayern M√ľnchen 7 (-1)
Real Madrid 7 (+-0)
Manchester City 5 (+2)
Chelsea 4 (-5)
Inter 4 (-3)
Porto 4 (+1)
Benfica 4 (+-0)


Ciao,
Werner
From: Werner Pichler on
On 30 Jun., 12:11, anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> >Liverpool 7 (+1)
>
> You'd really think they'd place a bit better in the EPL.
>

It's curious to think that Manchester United had
exactly the same number of starting players as
Wigan and Portsmouth (4 in the 1st round, 2 in
the round of 16).

Ciao,
Werner