Final Game # Spain-Netherlands # [R]
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From: Mart van de Wege on 11 Jul 2010 17:30 Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> writes: >> Subject : Final Game # Spain-Netherlands # [R] >> From : mvdwege(a)mail.com > >> We've come farther than ever in past years. Hopefully Bert stays on and >> gets to work with some young talent, because this group is frankly over >> the hill. >> >> Mart > > Not enough quality in attack. Van Persie was awful. Absolutely. For me, this was Bert's one mistake this tournament. He should have moved Kuyt to the centre forward position and taken Van Persie off for Elia. > Robben predictable. And much too static. There was a beautiful illustrative moment where he passed off the ball to an overlapping Van der Wiel, and then just kept standing still while poor Gregory was being surrounded by three Spaniards. And Robben did *nothing*. Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
From: JK on 11 Jul 2010 19:20 Mart van de Wege wrote: > Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> writes: > >>> Subject : Final Game # Spain-Netherlands # [R] >>> From : mvdwege(a)mail.com >>> We've come farther than ever in past years. Hopefully Bert stays on and >>> gets to work with some young talent, because this group is frankly over >>> the hill. >>> >>> Mart >> Not enough quality in attack. Van Persie was awful. > > Absolutely. For me, this was Bert's one mistake this tournament. He > should have moved Kuyt to the centre forward position and taken Van > Persie off for Elia. > >> Robben predictable. > > And much too static. There was a beautiful illustrative moment where he > passed off the ball to an overlapping Van der Wiel, and then just kept > standing still while poor Gregory was being surrounded by three > Spaniards. And Robben did *nothing*. > > Mart I would have run Huntelaar out there at some point. RvP was beyond useless.
From: FF on 11 Jul 2010 20:12 And the monster wins it. Well done Spain. No choking this time. Del Bosque greatest coach of all times. One World Cup and 2 Champions Leagues. (You know, that guy that Real threw like a broken tire after he won them 2 league titles and 2 Champs Leagues.)
From: Bob on 11 Jul 2010 20:20 FF wrote: > And the monster wins it. > Well done Spain. No choking this time. > > Del Bosque greatest coach of all times. One World Cup and 2 Champions > Leagues. > (You know, that guy that Real threw like a broken tire after he won > them 2 league titles and 2 Champs Leagues.) is there a category for best coach with best talent pool?
From: FF on 12 Jul 2010 01:03
Deserved win over-all though with many incidents. De Jong should have walked away in the first half for that high kick on Alonso. Spain should have had a penalty for a push from behind by Van Bommel on Alonso at begin of the second half, it was very near the edge but it was in the box. Near the end of the half there was that incident at which Puyol could have got the second YC, maybe if Robben had fallen but the foul was pretty weak, usually there's no card for such a thing. Then, of course, Heitinga got his second yellow for a somewhat similar action, but: his foul was clearly from behind, which Puyol's wasn't, and Iniesta gave in to it and fell, thus the foul caused him to lose the ball. Robben chose to continue and did retain control, which he subsequently lost by his own fault. So while the incidents are similar, they're not similar enough IMO to cry foul. Finally, IMHO the spanish goal was invalid because right before it Holland should have got a foul near the edge of the spanish box (that's right, not a corner, that was way before, but a foul); from the following play Spain had the ball all the way to the back of the dutch net, they were a few times on the brink of losing it but managed to retain it. So over-all Howard No-Penalty-For-Spain Webb did whistle a bit against Spain, not enough though to make them lose, and not enough for it to be a big problem. Which doesn't mean it was a good performance on his part, it wasn't, way too many errors (there were a lot of other smaller ones too), undeserving of a WCup final. It only highlights once again the need for video refs in tournaments of this importance, even if it largely leveled up and he was lucky that the team he disadvantaged over-all ended up to be the winners. However, there's a BIG difference to 2006, this time Spain weren't helped at all to win, the refs whistled more against them than in their favor in all matches they played. Except of course that they helped them avoid facing Brazil, this is indeed a substantial favor but nothing like in 2006. This time we have a real champ. (Though I wish they could have played Brazil in the final, or that Brazil would have been taken out correctly.) |