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From: RED DEVIL on 14 Jul 2010 14:43 On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:42:11 +0100, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!.com> wrote: >[RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] >[Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:44:46 -0400] > >: Not trying to twist anything, the reason you haven't won anything is >: because Wenger has been unable to spend any money because the club is >: in fact...in debt, agree? > >Utter nonsense. Then what do you suppose the reasons have been for the lack of success in the past 5 years? RED DEVIL
From: RED DEVIL on 14 Jul 2010 14:45 On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:41:41 +0100, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!.com> wrote: >[RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] >[Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:42:51 -0400] > >: >[RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] >: >[Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:45:45 -0400] >: > >: >: If debt is no issue at Arsenal then the board needs to fire Wenger >: >: since he's brought zero success the last 6 years. >: > >: >You need to learn the difference between responsible stewardship and >: >spending to the point that it amounts to fiddling while Rome burns. >: > >: >The trophy cabinet is the same as it was five years ago, yes, but that >: >is not an automatic indication of 'zero success', and you know it. It >: >wasn't spending that kicked Eduardo out of the season and Arsenal just >: >barely out of the title that year. Etc. There are more than a few big >: >clubs all chasing the same prize(s)... can't all of them win all the >: >time; that's just simple mathematics. >: >: That's all well and good, but how can you claim that Arsenal are not >: in debt? > >I've made no such claim. I have rubbished your nonsense claims that the >debt is out of control, trashing on-field resuls, etc. It really is >quite something that a MUFC supporter has the front to point the 'debt' >finger at any other club. How much of your club's debt repayment each >year is just to *maintain*, not reduce, the debt load? Give me a break. Show me where I have ever claimed that Arsenal's debt was out of control? What I claim is the debt of the new stadium has contributed to Arsenal's lack of silverware for the last 5 years. RED DEVIL
From: RED DEVIL on 14 Jul 2010 14:53 On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:42:19 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 14, 12:47�pm, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> >Abramovich/Mourinho arrived, and SAF hasn't gone anywhere. >> >> >It's not just a matter of money. >> >> It is when a club desperately needs players but can't go out and get >> them because they are in so much debt > >You're saying they're barren trophy wise and you dont' see them >getting more trophies because they're not spending, because they can't >because they're in very bad financial shape. > >But even if they could and did spend, like I say clubs don't exist in >a vacuum. So I wouldn't say that "money" is the primary issue. Or do >you agree with Paul Tomkins and Benitez? > >Spurs now have two decent XIs, City will add 3 top 10 paid players to >their team, and Ferguson is still around. League is getting tougher. > >You go for the win, you try your best, you enjoy the ride, but you >can't base your entire barometer for succes *only* on trophies in this >climate. > Arsenal fans worship Wenger and it's true he's a great manager. He's kept them semi competitive on a shoestring budget. Why do you suppose that Man City are suddenly going to be a threat in the league? I'll answer for you, because they have spent money on new players! Even the most avid Arsenal fan would surely admit that the team needs some new players but my point is Arsenal have been unable to compete financially with other top clubs and the reason for that has been the debt from building the new stadium. Since you brought up Benitez I'll answer that question. Benitez was/is a poor judge of talent he wasted millions on a scattergun approach to buying, I maintain that Ferguson and Wenger have spent their money much wiser. RED DEVIL
From: Manx Gunner on 14 Jul 2010 15:40 [RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] [Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:53:01 -0400] : Even : the most avid Arsenal fan would surely admit that the team needs some : new players but my point is Arsenal have been unable to compete : financially with other top clubs and the reason for that has been the : debt from building the new stadium. No, Arsenal have been unwilling to be as irresponsible as those who ran Leeds, for one example... or who are currently running Mercenaries United, for another example. You're smart enough to know all of this, of course... you're just desperate to take a stab at Arsenal. -- "Look at the way teams play against Arsenal. They don't believe they can win. They don't believe." -- Jose Mourinho
From: RED DEVIL on 14 Jul 2010 16:44
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:40:24 +0100, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!.com> wrote: >[RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] >[Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:53:01 -0400] > >: Even >: the most avid Arsenal fan would surely admit that the team needs some >: new players but my point is Arsenal have been unable to compete >: financially with other top clubs and the reason for that has been the >: debt from building the new stadium. > >No, Arsenal have been unwilling to be as irresponsible as those who ran >Leeds, for one example... or who are currently running Mercenaries >United, for another example. > >You're smart enough to know all of this, of course... you're just >desperate to take a stab at Arsenal. Don't know why you are so defensive, maybe it's because you know I post the truth, and I'm not taking any stab at Arsenal.You are just hiding from reality RED DEVIL |