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From: lescor on 25 Jul 2010 03:37 "Spurned" <arthritic87(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:f059481e-af53-49d8-8e87-8ca2e65cc663(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > Write to Blatter (Bladder?) and his mob to rip them about the lack of > a dedicated goal judge, lousy offside calls, not enough simulation > yellow cards and the idiocy of introducing to a World Cup a new ball > that has the aerodynamics of a paper airplane: > > FIFA > Strasse 20 > PO Box 8044 > ZURICH, SWITZERLAND ... > > > Let's take back the game. I made the same suggestion a couple of years ago but doubt if anyone bothered. It says a lot for a game when it can remain so popular, world wide, when it is played under such imperfect and varying conditions. I agree about simulation cards and the need for 2 extra goal line assistants. Bad offside calls are something we will have to live with as there is no sensible alternative. But the major need is to get ALL refs, wherever they come from, to sing from the same hymn sheet instead of the individual interpretation of the laws we get today. The problem is that refs have become cowards. Over the many decades I have been watching the game I have seen the refs authority slowly undermined by the players until, in the end, they play by laws which have nothing to do with those in the rule book. If players decide to put balls into touch to enable an injured opponent to get treatment then it is up to them. But this showy play of " what very good sportsmen our side are" is now abused by those who feel their side needs a short break. But the refs go along with this new "rule". When did anyone see a ref refuse to call on the trainer in this situation even when it is pretty obvious that the injured player is acting. The refs even collude in the way the resulting throw in will be taken, " you throw it to him and he will boot it back to their keeper" So, where once the ref decided which injuries merited stopping the game for, we now have the players deciding and the ref involved in matters outside his remit. But matters which really are his are ignored for the sake of an easy life. How many saved penalties are made by keepers who moved forward from the line too early? Almost every one of them! Why, despite the TV evidence, are shirt pulling or holding offences in the penalty area at corners and free kicks, only committed by the attacking side? Everyone wants to stamp it out but the idiots don't know how to do it although the answer is obvious. JUST APPLY THE BLOODY RULES! A few 8-5 games will cure the problem forever. But our cowardly refs don't want to rock the boat by being the first to apply rules which they know only too well but prefer to ignore. No fellers, it isn't an offence to handle the ball even if your side gains from the handling. It becomes one only if you intended to do so, and the natural posture of standing balanced with arms slightly away from the body is not evidence of intention. These are the areas which need clearing up. We don't need new rules, just officials who will correctly impose the old ones. Right now the games are being controlled by refs " interpretations" similar to those used by the conductor of a symphony orchestra, when what it badly needs is policemen imposing the laws as they already stand. Get this right first. It is far more important than any talk of technological aids. There is not a game in the world, from bridge to boxing, which isn't far better for everyone when played strictly to the rules which govern it. Any laxity leads to the shambles we see now in football where decisions are not a matter of law, but are far more about which particular ref is in charge. LC
From: michael adams on 25 Jul 2010 06:42 "lescor" <lescorbett(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:CO2dnb2UPsFIdNbRnZ2dnUVZ8oednZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > "Spurned" <arthritic87(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:f059481e-af53-49d8-8e87-8ca2e65cc663(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > Write to Blatter (Bladder?) and his mob to rip them about the lack of > > a dedicated goal judge, lousy offside calls, not enough simulation > > yellow cards and the idiocy of introducing to a World Cup a new ball > > that has the aerodynamics of a paper airplane: > > > > FIFA > > Strasse 20 > > PO Box 8044 > > ZURICH, SWITZERLAND ... > > > > > > Let's take back the game. > > > I made the same suggestion a couple of years ago but doubt if anyone > bothered. > It says a lot for a game when it can remain so popular, world wide, when > it is played under such imperfect and varying conditions. > > I agree about simulation cards and the need for 2 extra goal line > assistants. Bad offside calls are something we will have to live with as > there is no sensible alternative. But the major need is to get ALL refs, > wherever they come from, to sing from the same hymn sheet > instead of the individual interpretation of the laws we get today. > > The problem is that refs have become cowards. Over the many > decades I have been watching the game I have seen the refs > authority slowly undermined by the players until, in the end, they > play by laws which have nothing to do with those in the rule book. > > If players decide to put balls into touch to enable an injured > opponent to get treatment then it is up to them. But this showy > play of " what very good sportsmen our side are" is now abused > by those who feel their side needs a short break. But the refs go > along with this new "rule". When did anyone see a ref refuse to > call on the trainer in this situation even when it is pretty obvious > that the injured player is acting. The refs even collude in the way > the resulting throw in will be taken, " you throw it to him and he > will boot it back to their keeper" So, where once the ref decided > which injuries merited stopping the game for, we now have the > players deciding and the ref involved in matters outside his > remit. > > But matters which really are his are ignored for the sake of an easy > life. How many saved penalties are made by keepers who moved > forward from the line too early? Almost every one of them! > Why, despite the TV evidence, are shirt pulling or holding offences > in the penalty area at corners and free kicks, only committed by the > attacking side? Everyone wants to stamp it out but the idiots don't > know how to do it although the answer is obvious. JUST APPLY THE > BLOODY RULES! A few 8-5 games will cure the problem forever. > But our cowardly refs don't want to rock the boat by being the first > to apply rules which they know only too well but prefer to ignore. > > No fellers, it isn't an offence to handle the ball even if your side gains > from the handling. It becomes one only if you intended to do so, and > the natural posture of standing balanced with arms slightly away from > the body is not evidence of intention. > > These are the areas which need clearing up. We don't need new rules, > just officials who will correctly impose the old ones. Right now the > games are being controlled by refs " interpretations" similar to those > used by the conductor of a symphony orchestra, when what it badly > needs is policemen imposing the laws as they already stand. > > Get this right first. It is far more important than any talk of > technological > aids. There is not a game in the world, from bridge to boxing, which isn't > far better for everyone when played strictly to the rules which govern it. > Any laxity leads to the shambles we see now in football where decisions > are not a matter of law, but are far more about which particular ref is in > charge. > > > LC > > Another interesting (to me anyway) omission from the Rules, as far as I know is that there is no provision for the referee to ever speak to a player before making a decision. Take the notorious Eduardo penalty last year, or whenever. The referee pointed to the spot before even before consulting the player. If he'd have asked him - "was there any contact ?" then there's a possibility Eduardo may have said "no". But given the referee had already awarded the spot-kick the player was left in the unenviable position of being branded a diver. When all he may have been doing was jumping away from trouble. By the same token players who told the ref "yes there definitely was contact" when subsequent video evidence showed them to have been lying could maybe face some sort of sanction. Clearly with language problems etc. it may not be possible to ask players in all such situations - and many players might not even know the answer to what the refs asking them but it seems strange this possibility never seems to have been considered. michael adams ....
From: Baldoni on 26 Jul 2010 06:16 lescor formulated on Sunday : > > "Spurned" <arthritic87(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:f059481e-af53-49d8-8e87-8ca2e65cc663(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >> Write to Blatter (Bladder?) and his mob to rip them about the lack of >> a dedicated goal judge, lousy offside calls, not enough simulation >> yellow cards and the idiocy of introducing to a World Cup a new ball >> that has the aerodynamics of a paper airplane: >> >> FIFA >> Strasse 20 >> PO Box 8044 >> ZURICH, SWITZERLAND ... >> >> >> Let's take back the game. > > > I made the same suggestion a couple of years ago but doubt if anyone > bothered. > It says a lot for a game when it can remain so popular, world wide, when > it is played under such imperfect and varying conditions. > > I agree about simulation cards and the need for 2 extra goal line > assistants. Bad offside calls are something we will have to live with as > there is no sensible alternative. But the major need is to get ALL refs, > wherever they come from, to sing from the same hymn sheet > instead of the individual interpretation of the laws we get today. > > The problem is that refs have become cowards. Over the many > decades I have been watching the game I have seen the refs > authority slowly undermined by the players until, in the end, they > play by laws which have nothing to do with those in the rule book. > > If players decide to put balls into touch to enable an injured > opponent to get treatment then it is up to them. But this showy > play of " what very good sportsmen our side are" is now abused > by those who feel their side needs a short break. But the refs go > along with this new "rule". When did anyone see a ref refuse to > call on the trainer in this situation even when it is pretty obvious > that the injured player is acting. The refs even collude in the way > the resulting throw in will be taken, " you throw it to him and he > will boot it back to their keeper" So, where once the ref decided > which injuries merited stopping the game for, we now have the > players deciding and the ref involved in matters outside his > remit. > > But matters which really are his are ignored for the sake of an easy > life. How many saved penalties are made by keepers who moved > forward from the line too early? Almost every one of them! > Why, despite the TV evidence, are shirt pulling or holding offences > in the penalty area at corners and free kicks, only committed by the > attacking side? Everyone wants to stamp it out but the idiots don't > know how to do it although the answer is obvious. JUST APPLY THE > BLOODY RULES! A few 8-5 games will cure the problem forever. > But our cowardly refs don't want to rock the boat by being the first > to apply rules which they know only too well but prefer to ignore. > > No fellers, it isn't an offence to handle the ball even if your side gains > from the handling. It becomes one only if you intended to do so, and > the natural posture of standing balanced with arms slightly away from > the body is not evidence of intention. > > These are the areas which need clearing up. We don't need new rules, > just officials who will correctly impose the old ones. Right now the > games are being controlled by refs " interpretations" similar to those > used by the conductor of a symphony orchestra, when what it badly > needs is policemen imposing the laws as they already stand. > > Get this right first. It is far more important than any talk of technological > aids. There is not a game in the world, from bridge to boxing, which isn't > far better for everyone when played strictly to the rules which govern it. > Any laxity leads to the shambles we see now in football where decisions > are not a matter of law, but are far more about which particular ref is in > charge. > > > LC I have been of the opinion for some time that some of the refs are bent. -- Count Baldoni
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