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From: Aaron on 5 Jul 2010 20:55 On 5 Jul 2010 22:22:56 GMT, Pope Pompous XVIII <popepompousxviii(a)iol.ie> wrote: That title is not only a stupid question Since Freemasonry did not exist at the time, it is also dishonest in that Stephen was not Catholic. Stephen was tried by the Sanhedrin which only had authority over Jews who practiced Judaism - Jews who converted to another religion were typically ruled "karet" (cut off from Judaism). Of course the Catholic church was not established until 325CE, centuries after Stephen's death. In the mid First Century CE, there were Jews who believed that Jesus was the Messiah, and formerly-Gentile converts to Judaism. In Ephesians, Paul even wrote that the non-Jews who accepted jesus as Messiah were no longer Gentiles. Once non-Jewish belief systems accepting Jesus as Messiah split from the Messianic Jewish synagogues, there were tow centuries of confusion as to what books were valid how many gods existed, whether of not god was actually evil (the grand-father of Elohim was believed to be the good one by the Gnostic Christians), what pagan rites could be assimilated, et cetera. Catholicism over the centuries created a nice neat mythology of their history, that has no basis in reality and pre-dates the church by about three hundred years. Protestantism tends to copy that mythology and then insert a malignant theological corruption of Catholic leadership into their version of the history, but that is not historically accurate either. The Catholic church spent many years murdering any competition, and stifling education to maintain their authority, but the writings of dissenting groups have come to light. >Have a look at what St Luke has to say about them, whom he calls the >**Synagogue of Freedmen** > >http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/acts6.htm > >I draw your attention in particular to these sections, towards the end of >this essay: > >The preaching of Stephen (6:8-10); > >False accusations (6:11-14); > >Temple obsolete (6:11-14). The claim that the Temple was obsolete is a difficult one to make when Paul offered blood offerings there in Acts ("the cost of shaving the head" was part of the vow of a Nazir which included animal offerings). In Ezekiel, the discussion of the Third Temple includes animal offerings. So we will find out what God wants when Messiah returns The real problem with the story of Stephen is that before the Sanhedrin during a trial for the crime of polytheism, Stephen proclaims that he sees God and Jesus looking down from Heaven without explaining the Unity of God. While the actions of the members of the Sanhedrin went against my personal beliefs, it is easy to see that from their perspective Stephen confessed to Bitheism while maintaining a Jewish religious identity, and thus the Word of God required that he be stoned to death. > >My guess is that St Luke does indeed use coded language to refer to the >Freemasons, doubtless because they could have had him put to death the >same way they had STEPHEN stoned. Note as well how these early Freemasons >were careful not to tell brazen lies about the Catholic Church, adopting >instead the policy they still deploy to this day, which is to put a deadly >twist on the truth. Your fantasies about a Catholic church at a time when there was no religion separate from Judaism which recognized Jesus as Messiah. Your attempts to twist the truth have been disproved by many historians. > >What chance did STEPHEN have against their poisonous words? They were >determined to have his blood, and his blood they had. Stephen, story can also be seen as a warning to Evangelists to be careful that they say things so that their intended meanings are clearly understood, and to address the understanding of their audience. > >And so it is to this day - the Freemasons plotting against the Holy >Catholic Church, and millions upon millions of Catholic martyrs paying for >it with their lives. You have never exposed any proof of your mythical plots, only millions of victims murdered by the Catholic Church. > >But at least now we know what the Bible writers think of these scheming >scumbags. Isn't that right, Aaron? The Bible writers had nothing against Freemasons. Freemasonry would not even come into existence as the Speculative craft for over a thousand years after the writing of the Bible was finished. Religious intolerance is strictly prohibited in the Bible though. Pagans have the right to be wrong. Christians have the right to interpret the Bible in the way that they honestly believe to be correct, even if that way disagrees with a "Pope." PopeP, you really don't want to get into a religious debate. You have denounced the Roman Catholic church and expressed your genocidal hatred for Protestant denominations. Religiously, you are just a kook, not a real Christian or a real Catholic.
From: Darth Simian on 6 Jul 2010 04:14 On 5 July, 23:22, Pope Pompous XVIII <popepompousxv...(a)iol.ie> wrote: > Have a look at what St Luke has to say about them, whom he calls the > **Synagogue of Freedmen** > > http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/acts6.htm > > I draw your attention in particular to these sections, towards the end of > this essay: > > The preaching of Stephen (6:8-10); > > False accusations (6:11-14); > > Temple obsolete (6:11-14). > > My guess is that St Luke does indeed use coded language to refer to the > Freemasons, doubtless because they could have had him put to death the > same way they had STEPHEN stoned. Note as well how these early Freemasons > were careful not to tell brazen lies about the Catholic Church, adopting > instead the policy they still deploy to this day, which is to put a deadly > twist on the truth. > > What chance did STEPHEN have against their poisonous words? They were > determined to have his blood, and his blood they had. > > And so it is to this day - the Freemasons plotting against the Holy > Catholic Church, and millions upon millions of Catholic martyrs paying for > it with their lives. > > But at least now we know what the Bible writers think of these scheming > scumbags. Isn't that right, Aaron? > > -- > + His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII > > Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem! There could be truth in this. This would explain the Masonic obsession with stones. Lower degree porch masons believe stones represent architecture, but only those of 28th degree and higher know the true meaning. They represent the execution of all Catholics by living stones, a.k.a. Freemasons! How I wish GM Aaron was alive at the height of the Inquisition. The Many Stones of York Rite Masonry http://www.ram-il.org/Stones.htm We are also told that each one of us is a living stone, and that the tools of Masonry, when properly applied to a rough ashlar, can turn it into a perfect ashlar and make it fit (suitable) for the builders use. As each Freemason is represented as a stone, it is significant that Master Masons are taught to use the trowel to cement the building into one common mass. -- Giuseppe Mazzini, a Thirty-Third Degree Mason, founded a group of revolutionaries called Young Italy. Their goal was to free Italy from the control of monarchy and the Pope. They succeeded, and Mazzini is honored as a patriot in Italy. However, in the process, the Mafia was born. The Young Italy revolutionaries needed money, and they: "...supported themselves by robbing banks, looting or burning businesses if protection money was not paid, and kidnapping for ransom. Throughout Italy the word spread that "Mazzini autorizza furti, incendi e attentati," meaning, 'Mazzini authorizes theft, arson, and kidnapping.' This phrase was shortened to the acronym, M.A.F.I.A. Organized crime was born." (John Daniel, "Scarlet and the Beast," Vol. I., pages 330-331)
From: Pope Pompous XVIII on 6 Jul 2010 06:32 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 01:14:42 -0700, Darth Simian wrote: > On 5 July, 23:22, Pope Pompous XVIII <popepompousxv...(a)iol.ie> wrote: >> Have a look at what St Luke has to say about them, whom he calls the >> **Synagogue of Freedmen** >> >> http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/acts6.htm >> >> I draw your attention in particular to these sections, towards the end >> of this essay: >> >> The preaching of Stephen (6:8-10); >> >> False accusations (6:11-14); >> >> Temple obsolete (6:11-14). >> >> My guess is that St Luke does indeed use coded language to refer to the >> Freemasons, doubtless because they could have had him put to death the >> same way they had STEPHEN stoned. Note as well how these early >> Freemasons were careful not to tell brazen lies about the Catholic >> Church, adopting instead the policy they still deploy to this day, >> which is to put a deadly twist on the truth. >> >> What chance did STEPHEN have against their poisonous words? They were >> determined to have his blood, and his blood they had. >> >> And so it is to this day - the Freemasons plotting against the Holy >> Catholic Church, and millions upon millions of Catholic martyrs paying >> for it with their lives. >> >> But at least now we know what the Bible writers think of these scheming >> scumbags. Isn't that right, Aaron? > > There could be truth in this. This would explain the Masonic obsession > with stones. Lower degree porch masons believe stones represent > architecture, but only those of 28th degree and higher know the true > meaning. They represent the execution of all Catholics by 'living > stones', a.k.a. Freemasons! How I wish GM Aaron was alive at the height > of the Inquisition. > The Many Stones of York Rite Masonry > http://www.ram-il.org/Stones.htm > We are also told that each one of us is a living stone, and that the > tools of Masonry, when properly applied to a rough ashlar, can turn it > into a perfect ashlar and make it fit (suitable) for the builder's use. > As each Freemason is represented as a stone, it is significant that > Master Masons are taught to use the trowel to cement the building into > one common mass. From the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)- German Augustinian nun - stigmatist (bore the wounds of Christ) - and miracle- worker, who subsisted entirely on water and Holy Communion for many years - received numerous visions of the future crisis in the Church and the infiltration of the Masons. In her visions, she describes men in aprons destroying the Church with a trowel. The Masons wear aprons and their symbol is the mason's trowel used to add cement to block walls, brick walls, or plaster walls and ceilings. The following excerpts are from page 565 of "Life of Anne Catherine Emmerich". "I saw St. Peter's. A great crowd of men was trying to pull it down whilst others constantly built it up again. Lines connected these men, one with another and with others throughout the whole world. I was amazed at their perfect understanding. "The demolishers, mostly apostates and members of different sects, broke off whole pieces and worked according to rules and instructions. They wore WHITE APRONS bound with blue riband. In them were pockets and they had TROWELS stuck in their belts. The costumes of the others were various. "There were among the demolishers DISTINGUISHED MEN WEARING UNIFORMS AND CROSSES. They did not work themselves but they marked out on a wall with a TROWEL where and how it should be torn down. To my horror, I SAW AMONG THEM CATHOLIC PRIESTS. Whenever the workmen did not know how to go on, they went to a certain one in their party. He had a large book which seemed to contain the whole plan of the building and the way to destroy it. They marked out exactly with a TROWEL the parts to be attacked, and they soon came down. They worked quietly and confidently, but slyly, furtively and warily. I saw the POPE PRAYING, SURROUNDED BY FALSE FRIENDS WHO OFTEN DID THE VERY OPPOSITE TO WHAT HE HAD ORDERED..." http://www.circleofprayer.com/church-freemasons.html -- + His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem!
From: Baldoni on 6 Jul 2010 08:18 Aaron formulated on Tuesday : > On 5 Jul 2010 22:22:56 GMT, Pope Pompous XVIII > <popepompousxviii(a)iol.ie> wrote: > > That title is not only a stupid question Since Freemasonry did not > exist at the time, it is also dishonest in that Stephen was not > Catholic. Stephen was tried by the Sanhedrin which only had authority > over Jews who practiced Judaism - Jews who converted to another > religion were typically ruled "karet" (cut off from Judaism). Of > course the Catholic church was not established until 325CE, centuries > after Stephen's death. In the mid First Century CE, there were Jews > who believed that Jesus was the Messiah, and formerly-Gentile converts > to Judaism. In Ephesians, Paul even wrote that the non-Jews who > accepted jesus as Messiah were no longer Gentiles. > > Once non-Jewish belief systems accepting Jesus as Messiah split from > the Messianic Jewish synagogues, there were tow centuries of confusion > as to what books were valid how many gods existed, whether of not god > was actually evil (the grand-father of Elohim was believed to be the > good one by the Gnostic Christians), what pagan rites could be > assimilated, et cetera. Catholicism over the centuries created a nice > neat mythology of their history, that has no basis in reality and > pre-dates the church by about three hundred years. Protestantism > tends to copy that mythology and then insert a malignant theological > corruption of Catholic leadership into their version of the history, > but that is not historically accurate either. The Catholic church > spent many years murdering any competition, and stifling education to > maintain their authority, but the writings of dissenting groups have > come to light. > > >> Have a look at what St Luke has to say about them, whom he calls the >> **Synagogue of Freedmen** >> >> http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/acts6.htm >> >> I draw your attention in particular to these sections, towards the end of >> this essay: >> >> The preaching of Stephen (6:8-10); >> >> False accusations (6:11-14); >> >> Temple obsolete (6:11-14). > > The claim that the Temple was obsolete is a difficult one to make when > Paul offered blood offerings there in Acts ("the cost of shaving the > head" was part of the vow of a Nazir which included animal offerings). > In Ezekiel, the discussion of the Third Temple includes animal > offerings. So we will find out what God wants when Messiah returns > > The real problem with the story of Stephen is that before the > Sanhedrin during a trial for the crime of polytheism, Stephen > proclaims that he sees God and Jesus looking down from Heaven without > explaining the Unity of God. While the actions of the members of the > Sanhedrin went against my personal beliefs, it is easy to see that > from their perspective Stephen confessed to Bitheism while maintaining > a Jewish religious identity, and thus the Word of God required that he > be stoned to death. > >> >> My guess is that St Luke does indeed use coded language to refer to the >> Freemasons, doubtless because they could have had him put to death the >> same way they had STEPHEN stoned. Note as well how these early Freemasons >> were careful not to tell brazen lies about the Catholic Church, adopting >> instead the policy they still deploy to this day, which is to put a deadly >> twist on the truth. > > Your fantasies about a Catholic church at a time when there was no > religion separate from Judaism which recognized Jesus as Messiah. > Your attempts to twist the truth have been disproved by many > historians. Christ was instrumental in setting up the Catholic Church you damned fool and from then until now he has been the head of the Catholic Church. Also GM Aaron you have a very snidely way of replying to peoples posts, you really do think you are the clever tuna at times. -- Count Baldoni
From: Baldoni on 6 Jul 2010 08:20
After serious thinking Darth Simian wrote : > On 5 July, 23:22, Pope Pompous XVIII <popepompousxv...(a)iol.ie> wrote: >> Have a look at what St Luke has to say about them, whom he calls the >> **Synagogue of Freedmen** >> >> http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/acts6.htm >> >> I draw your attention in particular to these sections, towards the end of >> this essay: >> >> The preaching of Stephen (6:8-10); >> >> False accusations (6:11-14); >> >> Temple obsolete (6:11-14). >> >> My guess is that St Luke does indeed use coded language to refer to the >> Freemasons, doubtless because they could have had him put to death the >> same way they had STEPHEN stoned. Note as well how these early Freemasons >> were careful not to tell brazen lies about the Catholic Church, adopting >> instead the policy they still deploy to this day, which is to put a deadly >> twist on the truth. >> >> What chance did STEPHEN have against their poisonous words? They were >> determined to have his blood, and his blood they had. >> >> And so it is to this day - the Freemasons plotting against the Holy >> Catholic Church, and millions upon millions of Catholic martyrs paying for >> it with their lives. >> >> But at least now we know what the Bible writers think of these scheming >> scumbags. Isn't that right, Aaron? >> >> -- >> + His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII >> >> Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem! > > There could be truth in this. This would explain the Masonic > obsession with stones. Lower degree porch masons believe stones > represent architecture, but only those of 28th degree and higher know > the true meaning. They represent the execution of all Catholics by > 'living stones', a.k.a. Freemasons! How I wish GM Aaron was alive at > the height of the Inquisition. GM Aaron will one day answer for his heresy against the Catholic Church rest assured of that. -- Count Baldoni |