From: Aaron on
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
<great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 7 July, 18:04, Larry the Mason from Holbrook
><larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Freemasonry FAQ  
>>
>> Version 1.0
>> August 2006
>>
>> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ, posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific.  Please refer to the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information.
>>
>> 35
>> Haven't some said the information given in the lower degrees is incomplete or even misleading?
>>
>> It's a matter of Masonic authors writing to those they assume have a
>> background of appropriate knowledge. Another way we say the same thing
>> is: "Masonry is a progressive science, revealed by degrees." There
>> nothing astonishing and certainly nothing sinister in that. ALL
>> knowledge is gained bit by bit, and this is especially true in ethics
>> and morality. A minister would do very little good if he gave a new
>> member of his church complex texts like the works of Cyprian, Clement
>> of Alexandria, and Origen. Greater good would be accomplished by
>> starting with less complex authors. Similarly, Masonry introduces the
>> idea of ethics and morality, and gives some practical instruction in
>> each. But then it says to the Mason, "We teach by symbols because
>> symbols can be constantly explored. Think about these things, read
>> what others have written. Only in that way can you make the knowledge
>> and insight really your own." Masonry tries very hard to raise
>> questions, and to help its members acquire the tools for thought -–
>> but we do not try to give answers.
>
>GM Liarry up to his usual tricks. Let me quote the Masonic Pope
>Albert Pike:

"Usual tricks"...funny when you make up things like a "Masonic Pope."
Pike had no authority over any Grand Lodge. You have a history of
posting fake quotes from Pike; can you give a source, with title and
chapter? If not we can assume that this is another of your fake
quotes.


>
> “Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and
>Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or
>the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its
>symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ...”
>“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple.
>Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is
>intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that
>he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he
>understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts,
>the Princes of Masonry.”

From: Aaron on
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:52:04 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
<great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 8 July, 21:30, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
>>
>>
>>
>> <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 7 July, 18:04, Larry the Mason from Holbrook
>> ><larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> The Freemasonry FAQ  
>>
>> >> Version 1.0
>> >> August 2006
>>
>> >> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ, posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific.  Please refer to the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information.
>>
>> >> 35
>> >> Haven't some said the information given in the lower degrees is incomplete or even misleading?
>>
>> >> It's a matter of Masonic authors writing to those they assume have a
>> >> background of appropriate knowledge. Another way we say the same thing
>> >> is: "Masonry is a progressive science, revealed by degrees." There
>> >> nothing astonishing and certainly nothing sinister in that. ALL
>> >> knowledge is gained bit by bit, and this is especially true in ethics
>> >> and morality. A minister would do very little good if he gave a new
>> >> member of his church complex texts like the works of Cyprian, Clement
>> >> of Alexandria, and Origen. Greater good would be accomplished by
>> >> starting with less complex authors. Similarly, Masonry introduces the
>> >> idea of ethics and morality, and gives some practical instruction in
>> >> each. But then it says to the Mason, "We teach by symbols because
>> >> symbols can be constantly explored. Think about these things, read
>> >> what others have written. Only in that way can you make the knowledge
>> >> and insight really your own." Masonry tries very hard to raise
>> >> questions, and to help its members acquire the tools for thought -–
>> >> but we do not try to give answers.
>>
>> >GM Liarry up to his usual tricks.  Let me quote the Masonic Pope
>> >Albert Pike:
>>
>> "Usual tricks"...funny when you make up things like a "Masonic Pope."
>> Pike had no authority over any Grand Lodge.  You have a history of
>> posting fake quotes from Pike; can you give a source, with title and
>> chapter?
>
>http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19447
>No chapters in the text file I downloaded, but the quotes are there.
>I assume from seeing your little multiple rating script in action that
>you can search through a text file.

I found the entire passage. In it, Pike rejects the basic structure
of Masonry, which only has three degrees. In Morals and Dogma, Pike
gives his personal interpretations to the three degrees of Masonry, as
well as the twenty nine degrees of the Scottish Rite. Feeling his
personal opinion to be superior than those taught in Masonry, he uses
this excuse to supersede Masonic teaching. Pike's opinion has no
authority over Masonry.

The allegorical methodology used in Masonry is intended to teach
through each Mason examining the allegory for himself and discovering
the meaning.

Of course, you keep ignoring the fact that Masonry has only three
degrees.


From: Baldoni on
Aaron submitted this idea :
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:52:04 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
> <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8 July, 21:30, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7 July, 18:04, Larry the Mason from Holbrook
>>>> <larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Freemasonry FAQ  
>>>
>>>>> Version 1.0
>>>>> August 2006
>>>
>>>>> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ,
>>>>> posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific.  Please refer to
>>>>> the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information. 35 Haven't
>>>>> some said the information given in the lower degrees is incomplete or
>>>>> even misleading? It's a matter of Masonic authors writing to those they
>>>>> assume have a background of appropriate knowledge. Another way we say the
>>>>> same thing is: "Masonry is a progressive science, revealed by degrees."
>>>>> There nothing astonishing and certainly nothing sinister in that. ALL
>>>>> knowledge is gained bit by bit, and this is especially true in ethics and
>>>>> morality. A minister would do very little good if he gave a new member of
>>>>> his church complex texts like the works of Cyprian, Clement of
>>>>> Alexandria, and Origen. Greater good would be accomplished by starting
>>>>> with less complex authors. Similarly, Masonry introduces the idea of
>>>>> ethics and morality, and gives some practical instruction in each. But
>>>>> then it says to the Mason, "We teach by symbols because symbols can be
>>>>> constantly explored. Think about these things, read what others have
>>>>> written. Only in that way can you make the knowledge and insight really
>>>>> your own." Masonry tries very hard to raise questions, and to help its
>>>>> members acquire the tools for thought -– but we do not try to give
>>>>> answers.
>>>> GM Liarry up to his usual tricks.  Let me quote the Masonic Pope
>>>> Albert Pike:
>>>
>>> "Usual tricks"...funny when you make up things like a "Masonic Pope."
>>> Pike had no authority over any Grand Lodge.  You have a history of
>>> posting fake quotes from Pike; can you give a source, with title and
>>> chapter?
>>
>> http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19447
>> No chapters in the text file I downloaded, but the quotes are there.
>> I assume from seeing your little multiple rating script in action that
>> you can search through a text file.
>
> I found the entire passage. In it, Pike rejects the basic structure
> of Masonry, which only has three degrees. In Morals and Dogma, Pike
> gives his personal interpretations to the three degrees of Masonry, as
> well as the twenty nine degrees of the Scottish Rite. Feeling his
> personal opinion to be superior than those taught in Masonry, he uses
> this excuse to supersede Masonic teaching. Pike's opinion has no
> authority over Masonry.
>
> The allegorical methodology used in Masonry is intended to teach
> through each Mason examining the allegory for himself and discovering
> the meaning.
>
> Of course, you keep ignoring the fact that Masonry has only three
> degrees.

It sounds to me that Masonry is as confused, muddled and is as much in
unorganised disarray as the Anglican Church.

--
Count Baldoni


From: Aaron on
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:29:28 +0100, Baldoni
<BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

>Aaron submitted this idea :
>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:52:04 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
>> <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 July, 21:30, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7 July, 18:04, Larry the Mason from Holbrook
>>>>> <larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The Freemasonry FAQ  
>>>>
>>>>>> Version 1.0
>>>>>> August 2006
>>>>
>>>>>> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ,
>>>>>> posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific.  Please refer to
>>>>>> the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information. 35 Haven't
>>>>>> some said the information given in the lower degrees is incomplete or
>>>>>> even misleading? It's a matter of Masonic authors writing to those they
>>>>>> assume have a background of appropriate knowledge. Another way we say the
>>>>>> same thing is: "Masonry is a progressive science, revealed by degrees."
>>>>>> There nothing astonishing and certainly nothing sinister in that. ALL
>>>>>> knowledge is gained bit by bit, and this is especially true in ethics and
>>>>>> morality. A minister would do very little good if he gave a new member of
>>>>>> his church complex texts like the works of Cyprian, Clement of
>>>>>> Alexandria, and Origen. Greater good would be accomplished by starting
>>>>>> with less complex authors. Similarly, Masonry introduces the idea of
>>>>>> ethics and morality, and gives some practical instruction in each. But
>>>>>> then it says to the Mason, "We teach by symbols because symbols can be
>>>>>> constantly explored. Think about these things, read what others have
>>>>>> written. Only in that way can you make the knowledge and insight really
>>>>>> your own." Masonry tries very hard to raise questions, and to help its
>>>>>> members acquire the tools for thought -– but we do not try to give
>>>>>> answers.
>>>>> GM Liarry up to his usual tricks.  Let me quote the Masonic Pope
>>>>> Albert Pike:
>>>>
>>>> "Usual tricks"...funny when you make up things like a "Masonic Pope."
>>>> Pike had no authority over any Grand Lodge.  You have a history of
>>>> posting fake quotes from Pike; can you give a source, with title and
>>>> chapter?
>>>
>>> http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19447
>>> No chapters in the text file I downloaded, but the quotes are there.
>>> I assume from seeing your little multiple rating script in action that
>>> you can search through a text file.
>>
>> I found the entire passage. In it, Pike rejects the basic structure
>> of Masonry, which only has three degrees. In Morals and Dogma, Pike
>> gives his personal interpretations to the three degrees of Masonry, as
>> well as the twenty nine degrees of the Scottish Rite. Feeling his
>> personal opinion to be superior than those taught in Masonry, he uses
>> this excuse to supersede Masonic teaching. Pike's opinion has no
>> authority over Masonry.
>>
>> The allegorical methodology used in Masonry is intended to teach
>> through each Mason examining the allegory for himself and discovering
>> the meaning.
>>
>> Of course, you keep ignoring the fact that Masonry has only three
>> degrees.
>
>It sounds to me that Masonry is as confused, muddled and is as much in
>unorganised disarray as the Anglican Church.

No, those are just your wild fantasies.


From: Aaron on
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:42:57 -0700 (PDT), KIV11 <KIV11(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 10, 9:30 am, Baldoni <Baldoni...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Ask him to name his Jewish friends who are Masons.
>
>Go to: http://www.freemasonry.org.il/

Well, that is a whole bunch of Jewish Masons. I am not sure why
Baldoni is so concerned though. Since He hates Jews, Protestants, and
real Catholics as well as Masons for allowing people of different
religions to join the Lodge, one would think he would just use that as
another excuse to hate Masonry.