From: Aaron on 8 Jul 2010 09:21 On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 03:37:12 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 7 July, 18:14, Larry the Mason from Holbrook ><larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> The Freemasonry FAQ >> >> Version 1.0 >> August 2006 >> >> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ, posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific. Please refer to the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information. >> >> 45 >> Can Wiccans be Masons? >> >> This religion is specifically mentioned only because it has been often >> debated on alt.freemasonry. It is possible to get into very involved >> discussions on the nature of Wiccan beliefs and their compatibility >> with Masonry, but the only possible arbitrator is your Grand Lodge. To >> that end, it is suggested that if you have more specific questions, >> contact your local Lodge. >> >> Again, the same could be said about a number of religions, and Wicca >> is only mentioned specifically because it has been brought up >> repeatedly on the Masonic newsgroups. Please bear in mind that >> discussion of this subject on the USENET Masonic newsgroups invariably >> generates more heat than light. > >I would call that a confession. Since Masonry is not a religion, the absence of religiously based bigotry is hardly a confession of anything. Religiously based bigotry is based on a lack of faith in one's religion, combined with emotional immaturity. If a person's religious beliefs require them to commit acts of violence against followers of other faiths, they are unfit (not good enough) for Masonry. >And you want Christians to join this >Grand Master Larry? Hang your heads in shame Drivel and Aaron. DS, since you are not a Christian, you don't have any Christian point of view on the topic. I don't know what your picture is supposed to represent. Do you personally worship those, or are they just ugly bookends? >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valiente%27s_Altar_Images.jpg You keep posting links to off topic pictures as if they had some sort of bearing on your claims, but none of them has made any sense. >Wicca (pronounced ['w?k?]) is a Neopagan religion and a form of modern >witchcraft. It is often referred to as Witchcraft or the Craft[1] by >its adherents, who are known as Wiccans or Witches. Its disputed >origins lie in England in the early 20th century,[2] though it was >first popularised during the 1950s by Gerald Gardner, a retired >British civil servant, who at the time called it the "witch cult" and >"witchcraft", and its adherents "the Wica".[3] From the 1960s the name >of the religion was normalised to "Wicca". >Wicca is typically a duotheistic religion, worshipping a Goddess and a >God, who are traditionally viewed as the Triple Goddess and Horned >God. As Larry mentioned, there are several forms of Wicca, ranging from monotheistic to polytheistic, including the duotheistic. The individual would have to profess a monotheistic faith to join Masonry. Since there is no central authority in Masonry, each Grand Lodge has the right to enact its own policy on Wicca.
From: Darth Simian on 8 Jul 2010 09:57 On 8 July, 14:21, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 03:37:12 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian > > > > > > <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >On 7 July, 18:14, Larry the Mason from Holbrook > ><larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The Freemasonry FAQ > > >> Version 1.0 > >> August 2006 > > >> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ, posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific. Please refer to the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information. > > >> 45 > >> Can Wiccans be Masons? > > >> This religion is specifically mentioned only because it has been often > >> debated on alt.freemasonry. It is possible to get into very involved > >> discussions on the nature of Wiccan beliefs and their compatibility > >> with Masonry, but the only possible arbitrator is your Grand Lodge. To > >> that end, it is suggested that if you have more specific questions, > >> contact your local Lodge. > > >> Again, the same could be said about a number of religions, and Wicca > >> is only mentioned specifically because it has been brought up > >> repeatedly on the Masonic newsgroups. Please bear in mind that > >> discussion of this subject on the USENET Masonic newsgroups invariably > >> generates more heat than light. > > >I would call that a confession. > > Since Masonry is not a religion, the absence of religiously based > bigotry is hardly a confession of anything. Liaaron In Morals and Dogma, Pike wrote: "Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion" Religiously based bigotry > is based on a lack of faith in one's religion, combined with emotional > immaturity. If a person's religious beliefs require them to commit > acts of violence against followers of other faiths, they are unfit > (not good enough) for Masonry. > > >And you want Christians to join this > >Grand Master Larry? Hang your heads in shame Drivel and Aaron. > > DS, since you are not a Christian, you don't have any Christian point > of view on the topic. Liaarron calling the shots about who is a Christian or not. Typical Mason. > > I don't know what your picture is supposed to represent. Do you > personally worship those, or are they just ugly bookends?>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valiente%27s_Altar_Images.jpg > > You keep posting links to off topic pictures as if they had some sort > of bearing on your claims, but none of them has made any sense. The picture represents the Witch gods/demons your fellow Masons worship. It is from the Wikipedia page on Wicca. > > >Wicca (pronounced ['w?k?]) is a Neopagan religion and a form of modern > >witchcraft. It is often referred to as Witchcraft or the Craft[1] by > >its adherents, who are known as Wiccans or Witches. Its disputed > >origins lie in England in the early 20th century,[2] though it was > >first popularised during the 1950s by Gerald Gardner, a retired > >British civil servant, who at the time called it the "witch cult" and > >"witchcraft", and its adherents "the Wica".[3] From the 1960s the name > >of the religion was normalised to "Wicca". > >Wicca is typically a duotheistic religion, worshipping a Goddess and a > >God, who are traditionally viewed as the Triple Goddess and Horned > >God. > > As Larry mentioned, there are several forms of Wicca, ranging from > monotheistic to polytheistic, including the duotheistic. Liaaron. He mentioned nothing of the sort. There are several kinds of witchcraft so that makes it okay? > The > individual would have to profess a monotheistic faith to join Masonry. > Since there is no central authority in Masonry, each Grand Lodge has > the right to enact its own policy on Wicca. I spit with disgust on your 'Grand Lodge rights.' I doubt they will amount to much when all freemasons are cast into the abyss. -- His independence showed when Great-granddad Beaton died and made him a bequest of his Masonic regalia. For moral reasons, Dad refused to accept it or to become a Freemason and the Past Masters apron passed to my Uncle John. I have always been proud of that demonstration of integrity. Sir Alex Ferguson in his autobiography Managing my Life.
From: Aaron on 8 Jul 2010 11:10 On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 8 July, 14:21, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 03:37:12 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian >> >> >> >> >> >> <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On 7 July, 18:14, Larry the Mason from Holbrook >> ><larry.the.mason.from.holbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The Freemasonry FAQ >> >> >> Version 1.0 >> >> August 2006 >> >> >> This Frequently Asked Question comes from the weekly USENET MASONRY FAQ, posted to alt.freemasonry every Friday at 08:00 Pacific. Please refer to the weekly FAQ for other resource and contact information. >> >> >> 45 >> >> Can Wiccans be Masons? >> >> >> This religion is specifically mentioned only because it has been often >> >> debated on alt.freemasonry. It is possible to get into very involved >> >> discussions on the nature of Wiccan beliefs and their compatibility >> >> with Masonry, but the only possible arbitrator is your Grand Lodge. To >> >> that end, it is suggested that if you have more specific questions, >> >> contact your local Lodge. >> >> >> Again, the same could be said about a number of religions, and Wicca >> >> is only mentioned specifically because it has been brought up >> >> repeatedly on the Masonic newsgroups. Please bear in mind that >> >> discussion of this subject on the USENET Masonic newsgroups invariably >> >> generates more heat than light. >> >> >I would call that a confession. >> >> Since Masonry is not a religion, the absence of religiously based >> bigotry is hardly a confession of anything. > >Liaaron > >In Morals and Dogma, Pike wrote: "Every Masonic lodge is a temple of >religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion" Moral and Dogma is one man's opinion and from previous fake quotes you have posted, you have no clue what it actually says. To be candid: Masonic rituals are written in a general way so that men of various faiths can reflect upon their own religious beliefs. The book "Lord of the Rings" is not a religion, but was designed to be instruction in Christian religion. > > >> Religiously based bigotry >> is based on a lack of faith in one's religion, combined with emotional >> immaturity. If a person's religious beliefs require them to commit >> acts of violence against followers of other faiths, they are unfit >> (not good enough) for Masonry. >> >> >And you want Christians to join this >> >Grand Master Larry? Hang your heads in shame Drivel and Aaron. >> >> DS, since you are not a Christian, you don't have any Christian point >> of view on the topic. > >Liaarron calling the shots about who is a Christian or not. Typical >Mason. DS, you have openly denounced Christian faith. YOU have demonstrated that you are not a Christian, you only post to make Christians look foolish by agreeing with you when your posts are so obviously dishonest. That is why you make your accusations so silly: so that no person could possibly believe them, and thus and christian who agrees with you is show to be a liar. Of course, the only two who say that they believe you are two guys who denounce Roman Catholic Doctrine while claiming to be Catholic. So, they are obviously kooks anyways. > > >> >> I don't know what your picture is supposed to represent. Do you >> personally worship those, or are they just ugly bookends?>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valiente%27s_Altar_Images.jpg >> >> You keep posting links to off topic pictures as if they had some sort >> of bearing on your claims, but none of them has made any sense. > >The picture represents the Witch gods/demons your fellow Masons >worship. It is from the Wikipedia page on Wicca. I have never met a Wiccan Mason. If those are deities of Wicca, I personally think of them as "ugly statues,; and nothing more. I do not fear other religions, so I have no reason to hate people for disagreeing with my beliefs. To address your accusation: Since only Monotheists can become Masons, no Mason worships your statues. > >> >> >Wicca (pronounced ['w?k?]) is a Neopagan religion and a form of modern >> >witchcraft. It is often referred to as Witchcraft or the Craft[1] by >> >its adherents, who are known as Wiccans or Witches. Its disputed >> >origins lie in England in the early 20th century,[2] though it was >> >first popularised during the 1950s by Gerald Gardner, a retired >> >British civil servant, who at the time called it the "witch cult" and >> >"witchcraft", and its adherents "the Wica".[3] From the 1960s the name >> >of the religion was normalised to "Wicca". >> >Wicca is typically a duotheistic religion, worshipping a Goddess and a >> >God, who are traditionally viewed as the Triple Goddess and Horned >> >God. >> >> As Larry mentioned, there are several forms of Wicca, ranging from >> monotheistic to polytheistic, including the duotheistic. > >Liaaron. He mentioned nothing of the sort. Again, DS, you resort to lies. We have had long discussions in this NG on the Wiccan religion. Larry referred to those and they are still on my news server. >There are several kinds >of witchcraft so that makes it okay? What do YOU mean by "okay"? I never said that Wicca was "okay." Masonry requires faith in God for membership. Most, if not all, Grand Lodges interpret this to mean Monotheism. So, for joining the Lodge, Monotheism is the question. I have met a few Wiccans, and none of them would have been interested in Masonry, so I don't know if the question comes up that much. Since Masonry is not a religion, Lodges do not pass judgement on other people's faith. You claim that Masonry is a religion, then you rant and accuse Masonry of not being a religion. You disagree with yourself again. > >> The >> individual would have to profess a monotheistic faith to join Masonry. >> Since there is no central authority in Masonry, each Grand Lodge has >> the right to enact its own policy on Wicca. > >I spit with disgust on your 'Grand Lodge rights.' I doubt they will >amount to much when all freemasons are cast into the abyss. "Insults from the wicked are compliments in the ears of the righteous." Thank you DS!
From: Darth Simian on 8 Jul 2010 16:57 On 8 July, 16:10, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian > "Insults from the wicked are compliments in the ears of the > righteous." Thank you DS! Trying to mimic 'Biblical' quotes now are we? Even if this is in scripture, I doubt very much it was referring to Freemasonry in a positive light.
From: Baldoni on 8 Jul 2010 18:32 Aaron submitted this idea : > As Larry mentioned, there are several forms of Wicca, ranging from > monotheistic to polytheistic, including the duotheistic. The > individual would have to profess a monotheistic faith to join Masonry. > Since there is no central authority in Masonry, each Grand Lodge has > the right to enact its own policy on Wicca. Should Masons be allowed to hold positions within the Judiciary and the Police Forces within in the UK ? -- Count Baldoni
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