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From: Eyan on 13 Jul 2010 17:26
"Webb was called into action as early as the first minute as a snide
challenge from Van Persie saw a Spaniard felled. He handed out a firm word,
appropriate, not over-reacting, but making it clear that challenges like
that would not be tolerated. A major feature of the World Cup has been the
teamwork between Howard and his assistants Darren Cann and Mike Mallarky. In
the third minute Cann was called into action with another very tight offside
decision, this set the standard and throughout the ensuing two hours they
got all offside decisions correct.

"The first yellow card came in the 15th minute and Van Persie having been
warned in the very first minute saw a deserved yellow and should have sent
out a message to all players, unfortunately the players were oblivious to
this warning and ran around like headless chickens.

"Challenges were flying in and any ref could not turn a blind eye to them.
Within two minutes of the first yellow card, Spain's Puyol made an almost
identical rash challenge from behind, with Webb having just cautioned Van
Persie, there was no room for a warning it had to be a yellow. The players
were showing a total lack of control, unusual in a game of this importance,
a sending off is all the more likely as the card count increases.

"Van Bommel, who had been guilty of many fouls during the tournament, found
that HW was not as forgiving as previous refs and he went into the book for
yet another tackle from behind. Are players stupid?? Within a minute Ramos
became yellow number four for a foul on Kuyt. At this stage the ref is
thinking "Will the players calm down?" He is worrying that they are not
heeding the speight of yellow cards. It is his Cup final as well, and he
does not want it marred by red cards, but unless the player's behaviour
improves it is likely that the game plan of everybody talking about only the
players and the game is going to go out of the window.

"There was a coming together of two players on the half way line and HW flew
in to prevent any escalation, this had been a feature of the first half hour
of the game. He had worked extremely hard on ensuring that he was very close
to the action.

"De Jong became the fifth yellow card, slow motion action replays showed
that he could possibly have received a red card, it was an orange card in
refereeing terminology. In Howard's defence he probably did not get as good
a view of the incident as we did on TV. The commentators felt that he could
have played an advantage as Spain still had the ball. That is complete
rubbish, in view of the way the game was being played there was no way in at
all that any ref would risk control by allowing possession to deter him
taking the appropriate action.

"We then had a strange incident when a ball was kicked back to the keeper
after one of these orchestrated restarts, for a minute it looked as if the
ball might go into the goal. Fortunately, the keeper got his hands to the
ball. Had the ball have gone into goal, it would have had to have been
given. In view of the way the players had conducted themselves in this game,
the roof would probably have come off.

"In the 40th minute, Sneijder almost became booking number six, Howard chose
to speak to him rather than show yellow, I could understand his stance.

"There comes a time when if plan A is not working then Plan B has to be
tried. Maybe, just maybe, the players might finally hear the penny drop and
start playing football. The first half ended with the English team being
certainly the outstanding team on the pitch. HW had been firm and consistent
in his handling of the game and had tried a darn site harder than the
players to make the game a spectacle for the right reasons."

I was spared the half time opinions of the experts as I spoke to the
newspaper, I understand, though, that short of much to talk about in a
positive manner they dissected ever decision. And were critical that there
were no red cards. I can assure you that had Howard sent off a couple of
players, then he would readily have been accused of spoiling the game. You
can't win!!!

"No let up in first few minutes of the second half, Alonso and Van Bommel
came together in the penalty area, different angles showed different things,
but the fact that Alonso made no appeal for a penalty told a story. Then it
happened in the 50th minute of this error strewn game, the English officials
actually made a mistake. Shock horror, a cross shot from the right saw the
keeper get a hand to the ball, unseen by either Howard or Darren, they are
human after all.

"Van Bronkhorst became yellow number six, I think that assistant Mike
Mallarkey was probably instrumental in the award of the free kick and the
subsequent caution as the offence took place on the ref's blind side. That's
teamwork though. The next caution and subsequent restart was a little
confusing. The card was certainly warranted for Everton's Heitinga, as he
caught Villa late just as Howard turned and, once again, I surmise that Webb
was helped out by his assistant. The game did not start with a free kick
however, which confused me, and in line with the total lack of
sportsmanship, the ball was kicked out of play by the Dutch up near the
corner flag, putting the Spanish under pressure. It was certainly not
getting any easier for the ref and I could sense he was at the end of his
tether, the players were not helping at all, in fact much to the contrary.

"So it continued. Capdevilla became number eight, with a cynical pull back
on Van Persie. The tempers of the players that had rarely eased were flaring
again. There was an offside decision from Mike Mallarkey that looked
suspicious but once again he was proved to be spot on. Sneijder received
what was clear to see as a final warning as HW once again tried to manage
the situation. This approach continued with the ref working his nuts off
with Van Bommel and Iniesta getting involved with each other. I am sure that
his patience was now about worn out but thankfully he remained in control of
himself.

"Within the last ten minutes of the game, the intensity for an official
increases, as any controversial decision is obviously likely to have an even
more significant influence of the outcome of the game. Iniesta weaved his
way into the penalty area and, with the prospect of a challenge and possible
penalty apparent, Webb moved swiftly into an excellent viewing position to
correctly adjudge no offence. With the players tiring, their behaviour
became even more factious, if that was possible!! Robben, probably
embarrassed by his earlier miss, became a World Cup final record 9th booking
after chasing the ref screaming like a spoilt brat after missing another
chance and then wanting a free kick. It was a six and two threes situation
with Puyol, but the crying brat wanted the best of both worlds. Surely by
now any neutral was supporting Spain? The Dutch were an absolute disgrace.
Another excellent offside decision denied Van Persie in the last minute.

"So to extra time, the game was likely to be stretched putting more pressure
on the officials, it was certain that they would be further away from key
incidents and, whilst their fitness levels would have prepared them for
this, they would still have been running close to empty with adrenalin
keeping them going.

"Within seconds of the restart there was a big shout for a penalty for Spain
as Xavi appeared to be felled in the area. Slow motion replays showed that
in fact he had kicked the opponent in the process of shooting, bringing
about his own demise. A major call for the ref and another he got 100%
correct. The inevitable came in the 109th minute when Heitinga saw red for a
calculated cynical foul. A double yellow, even at this stage of the game
Webb was not making Poll-like errors.

"The 11th yellow followed soon after with Van Der Wiel left with no right to
complain. The idiotic Robben was very, very fortunate not to see red when he
kicked the ball past the keeper after being penalised. In Law he should have
walked, Webb showed common sense for the occasion but would have been down
marked by an assessor for not getting rid of the whinging winger.

"A free kick for Holland should have produced a corner as the ball deflected
off the defensive wall. It was not spotted by the officials, maybe Howard
was concentrating on the antics of the players in the penalty area or
perhaps, understandably, it was the first show of tiredness and lack of
concentration. Sods law a minute later and Iniesta has the ball in the Dutch
net. Despite the Dutch having six defenders in their own penalty area, the
conceding of the goal somehow became Howard's fault and their disgraceful
players hounded both Howard, and Mike Mallarkey, also suggesting an offside
that never was. Another booking for dissent for the ball bouncing baby in
orange. Iniesta and Xavi still had time to become yellow cards 13 and 14,
but thankfully the final whistle came and ended the necessity for a penalty
shoot out.

"The final whistle prompted more Van Bommel led harassing of the officials
in which their coach joined in. At least they showed some respect as they
formed a line of honour for the worthy winners.

"Webb, Cann and Mallarkey had done themselves and the country proud. This
was officiating of the highest order in what was probably as difficult a
game to handle as I have ever seen."

The morning after the night before, and still the Dutch showed themselves up
again, with Kuyt suggesting that HW had favoured the Spanish. I hope that
FIFA throw the book at him. For years the purveyors of total football had
been everyone's favourite second team, no longer, their bully boy thuggery
destroyed a potentially great game of football. Good riddance to bad
rubbish.

Steve Bruce was quick to praise HW and likewise Dermot Gallagher gave a
brilliant assessment of the game on Sky Sports News . Poll was a little more
reticent to go overboard with praise for Howard, but then again it must be
difficult for him to accept that Webb is twice the ref he ever was and ten
times the man. Roll On Brazil in 2014!!! Webb will be there, but will
England??


From: Eyan on 13 Jul 2010 17:50

"Eyan" <not(a)ere.com> wrote in message
news:8a440qF4h2U1(a)mid.individual.net...

> "De Jong became the fifth yellow card, slow motion action replays showed
> that he could possibly have received a red card, it was an orange card in
> refereeing terminology. In Howard's defence he probably did not get as
> good a view of the incident as we did on TV. The commentators felt that he
> could have played an advantage as Spain still had the ball. That is
> complete rubbish, in view of the way the game was being played there was
> no way in at all that any ref would risk control by allowing possession to
> deter him taking the appropriate action.
>

Surely the ref can let play go on unless he thinks Alonso has suffered
serious injury, he can come back and give De Jong a card when the ball goes
dead. On second thoughts he has got to stop it and give a red card, I don't
think Webb saw what we did on the telly.


> "We then had a strange incident when a ball was kicked back to the keeper
> after one of these orchestrated restarts, for a minute it looked as if the
> ball might go into the goal. Fortunately, the keeper got his hands to the
> ball. Had the ball have gone into goal, it would have had to have been
> given. In view of the way the players had conducted themselves in this
> game, the roof would probably have come off.
>

Give the Dutch there due credit, they passed the corner back to the Keeper,
if it had went in could Webb not suggest a free shot for Spain to equalise?

> I was spared the half time opinions of the experts as I spoke to the
> newspaper, I understand, though, that short of much to talk about in a
> positive manner they dissected ever decision. And were critical that there
> were no red cards. I can assure you that had Howard sent off a couple of
> players, then he would readily have been accused of spoiling the game. You
> can't win!!!
>

100% correct, a no win situation for Webb.


> The next caution and subsequent restart was a little confusing. The card
> was certainly warranted for Everton's Heitinga, as he caught Villa late
> just as Howard turned and, once again, I surmise that Webb was helped out
> by his assistant. The game did not start with a free kick however, which
> confused me

Me too! Webb did not see this.

> Robben embarrassed by his earlier miss, became a World Cup final record
> 9th booking after chasing the ref screaming like a spoilt brat after
> missing another chance and then wanting a free kick. It was a six and two
> threes situation with Puyol, but the crying brat wanted the best of both
> worlds. Surely by now any neutral was supporting Spain? The Dutch were an
> absolute disgrace. Another excellent offside decision denied Van Persie in
> the last minute.
>

100% correct

> "The 11th yellow followed soon after with Van Der Wiel left with no right
> to complain. The idiotic Robben was very, very fortunate not to see red
> when he kicked the ball past the keeper after being penalised. In Law he
> should have walked, Webb showed common sense for the occasion but would
> have been down marked by an assessor for not getting rid of the whinging
> winger.
>

Again 100% correct, he should have been off.

> "Webb, Cann and Mallarkey had done themselves and the country proud. This
> was officiating of the highest order in what was probably as difficult a
> game to handle as I have ever seen."
>

Unless yer Tappy and you saw Chelsea v Leeds 1970 summit.

> Steve Bruce was quick to praise HW and likewise Dermot Gallagher gave a
> brilliant assessment of the game on Sky Sports News . Poll was a little
> more reticent to go overboard with praise for Howard, but then again it
> must be difficult for him to accept that Webb is twice the ref he ever was
> and ten times the man. Roll On Brazil in 2014!!! Webb will be there, but
> will England??
>


Poll? He's a joke



From: TommoCubed on 18 Jul 2010 19:33
This was a shitty match to referee. You're tying to keep a game on while
the world is watching and basically one team had no belief in their own
ability and tried to spoil. I feel sorry for Webb. He was totally
crucified by both sides, and it is just our culture to "show some common
sense". He did it, and it didn't work.

Let's remember this one - sometimes you just have to give the twats
enough rope and don't try to help them out.
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