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From: Mark V. on 9 May 2010 05:39 On May 9, 1:36 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > futbolmetrix: > > > On May 8, 9:16 pm, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Of course :) (and thanks for having commented it!). I'm trying to act > > > methodically, and I'm winding down the IFFHS list:http://www.iffhs.de/?b4a390f03be4ac07cda17b45fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aed02 > > > so sooner or later I'll arrive at Jardel. > > > This list seems to have tons of holes in it (Raul? Batistuta? > > Baggio?), but then I saw that you're basing yourself on the IFFHS, and > > everything becomes clear. > > And the seasonal data are taken from Wikipedia to boot! :) > > Indeed, if I'll keep searching for the players on that list (I've > looked up to 77. McCoist), I'll reach > 168. Batistuta > 199. Raul > 282. Baggio > > I know that IFFHS is buggy, but I think that I can be 80% sure that > only the following 12 players have scored more than 270 goals (in the > selected championships, debuting after 1995): > Romario > Pele > Bianchi, Carlos > Greaves > Mueller, Gerd > Onnis > Gomes, Fernando > Eusebio > van der Kuijlen > Shearer > Geels > ...and that's enough for me. :) > > -- > Cheers > milivella I guess my issue with this list is that goals for Leixoes or Stade Rennes would count, but goals for Galatasaray or Rangers would not. I am not thinking of anybody specifically (beyond Jardel, who would not crack your top 10 or 11 anyway), yet still.....
From: milivella on 9 May 2010 06:29 Mark V.: > I guess my issue with this list is that goals for Leixoes or Stade > Rennes would count, but goals for Galatasaray or Rangers would not. I > am not thinking of anybody specifically (beyond Jardel, who would not > crack your top 10 or 11 anyway), yet still..... You're totally right. Still, I only see the following options: a. Cut at some point, and tag some leagues as "top leagues". You could exclude Portugal and France, or include Turkey and Scotland, etc. b. Assign a different weight to goals scored in different leagues. It's possible to do it, see "the bearable heaviness of goals". c. Forget about computing such a ranking. Do you see any other option? What's the best one according to you? Since I wanted to compute this ranking, I dropped option c. :) I didn't go for different weights (b) because I wanted to keep things simple and intuitive (1 goal = 1 goal!). So I had to pick some leagues (a): I went for the ones where the greatest stars of the past 50 years shone. -- Cheers milivella
From: Mark V. on 9 May 2010 12:10 On May 9, 3:29 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mark V.: > > > I guess my issue with this list is that goals for Leixoes or Stade > > Rennes would count, but goals for Galatasaray or Rangers would not. I > > am not thinking of anybody specifically (beyond Jardel, who would not > > crack your top 10 or 11 anyway), yet still..... > > You're totally right. Still, I only see the following options: > a. Cut at some point, and tag some leagues as "top leagues". You could > exclude Portugal and France, or include Turkey and Scotland, etc. > b. Assign a different weight to goals scored in different leagues. > It's possible to do it, see "the bearable heaviness of goals". > c. Forget about computing such a ranking. > Do you see any other option? What's the best one according to you? > > Since I wanted to compute this ranking, I dropped option c. :) I > didn't go for different weights (b) because I wanted to keep things > simple and intuitive (1 goal = 1 goal!). So I had to pick some leagues > (a): I went for the ones where the greatest stars of the past 50 years > shone. > > -- > Cheers > milivella I'd say that you stick with what you've been doing (thanks for doing this, by the way!), but gerrymander obvious worthy exceptions (you be the judge) like, say, Galatasaray, Fenerbahce, Anderlecht, Celtic, Rangers, Club América etc. in when it seems appropriate to do so. Or not! :-)
From: Mark V. on 9 May 2010 12:15 On May 9, 9:10 am, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 9, 3:29 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Mark V.: > > > > I guess my issue with this list is that goals for Leixoes or Stade > > > Rennes would count, but goals for Galatasaray or Rangers would not. I > > > am not thinking of anybody specifically (beyond Jardel, who would not > > > crack your top 10 or 11 anyway), yet still..... > > > You're totally right. Still, I only see the following options: > > a. Cut at some point, and tag some leagues as "top leagues". You could > > exclude Portugal and France, or include Turkey and Scotland, etc. > > b. Assign a different weight to goals scored in different leagues. > > It's possible to do it, see "the bearable heaviness of goals". > > c. Forget about computing such a ranking. > > Do you see any other option? What's the best one according to you? > > > Since I wanted to compute this ranking, I dropped option c. :) I > > didn't go for different weights (b) because I wanted to keep things > > simple and intuitive (1 goal = 1 goal!). So I had to pick some leagues > > (a): I went for the ones where the greatest stars of the past 50 years > > shone. > > > -- > > Cheers > > milivella > > I'd say that you stick with what you've been doing (thanks for doing > this, by the way!), but gerrymander obvious worthy exceptions (you be > the judge) like, say, Galatasaray, Fenerbahce, Anderlecht, Celtic, > Rangers, Club América etc. in when it seems appropriate to do so. Or > not! :-) i.e. What to do about Hugo Sanchez? :-)
From: milivella on 11 May 2010 07:00
Mark V.: > I'd say that you stick with what you've been doing (thanks for doing > this, by the way!), but gerrymander obvious worthy exceptions (you be > the judge) like, say, Galatasaray, Fenerbahce, Anderlecht, Celtic, > Rangers, Club América etc. in when it seems appropriate to do so. Thanks a lot for the tip! I don't know whether I'll keep working at this stat, though, because, even if it takes very little time to add a player to the database, tracking all the players that could reach an high score could require more than a couple of minutes, i.e. too much for me. (I hope to find a solution, though!) -- Cheers milivella |