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From: William Clark on 13 Jun 2010 12:59
In article <irm916dldepp1kq6kk7sosearc8qvb4907(a)4ax.com>,
KaiserD2(a)gmail.com wrote:

> The US goal was horrible (for England) but hardly unprecedented.
> Waldir Perez let in a very similar one against Russia for Brazil in
> 1982 on a much longer, weaker shot. That great team came back to win
> 2-1. The French keeper, whose name escapes me, also let one in that
> was just as bad against Germany early in the 1986 semi-final and the
> French couldn't recover from it. Still, Green deserves every bit of
> obloquy that he gets--he failed Goalkeeping 1. His feet looked nailed
> to the floor, he stuck both his hands out to his right and the ball
> bounced off them. Certainly not an own goal, however.

Would that be Bathez, by any chance? He had a few howlers in his
repertoire, I seem to recall.
>
> I cannot understand how experienced managers like Capello can be
> so stupid as to put badly injured players in the WC. King couldn't
> make it through the game, what a shock!, and he's stuck with
> Carragher, whom the US could run rings around, and Algeria and
> Slovenia will too. And the guy's already on a card.

Agreed. But it seems that every EPL player is injured/exhausted by the
time June rolls around.
From: Bob on 13 Jun 2010 13:37
KaiserD2(a)gmail.com wrote:
> The US goal was horrible (for England) but hardly unprecedented.
> Waldir Perez let in a very similar one against Russia for Brazil in
> 1982 on a much longer, weaker shot. That great team came back to win
> 2-1. The French keeper, whose name escapes me, also let one in that
> was just as bad against Germany early in the 1986 semi-final and the
> French couldn't recover from it. Still, Green deserves every bit of
> obloquy that he gets--he failed Goalkeeping 1. His feet looked nailed
> to the floor, he stuck both his hands out to his right and the ball
> bounced off them. Certainly not an own goal, however.

Either he misjudged the direction of travel of the ball (ball likely wasn't
travelling fast enough to change direction of its own) or the ball was
delfected by irregularitites in the turf. Consequently he blocked the ball a
little to the side, which didn't allow his body to catch any deflection off
his hands that might result from the varying vertical angle of indicence
imparted by the ball bouncing off the pitch.

>
> I cannot understand how experienced managers like Capello can be
> so stupid as to put badly injured players in the WC. King couldn't
> make it through the game, what a shock!, and he's stuck with
> Carragher, whom the US could run rings around, and Algeria and
> Slovenia will too. And the guy's already on a card.
>
> As was noted in the big thread,several of the tackles would have
> gotten red cards in 2002, of the Henry-Ronaldinho variety. I thought
> those were too harsh at the time, though, and I'm glad they stuck with
> yellows. In fact I think the refereeing so far has been excellent and
> the play quite clean on the whole.

Indeed several tackles were worse than what earned Henry a straight red in
2002 (can't recall Ronaldinho's). The ref'ing has mostly been great. I like
that they are catching many professional fouls. Let's keep our fingers
crossed that they'll keep improving.

>
> Some England comments: Lennon seemed out to prove Capello should
> have picked Walcott instead. He repeatedly refused to take the left
> back on. Heskey had a terrific game and actually England's attack
> fell apart when he was substituted. Rooney was well contained but
> showed he can open up a lot of space for others, e. g. Gerrard.
> Lampard was not able to make an impact in the box as usual, I'm sorry
> to say, when playing for England. Johnson did very little
> offensively. Cole was a star.

I think poor finishing was England's main problem yesterday. As good as
Howard was he didn't make many spectacular saves because most shots were
straight at him.

>
> I think this is the best US team ever and I think they gave a
> fine performance. The goal was a gift but it was hardly their only
> chance. I didn't like the way they went into a shell but have to
> admit that it paid off. The midfield is very strong. Donovan is a
> grat player.

I thought they played great. Although the US squad is typically better than
the sum of its part they have some very good players at critical position
(Altidore - Donovan - Oneyehu - Howard). We will see if they can pick it up
against inferior opponents as that seems to have been a problem in the past.
Altidore is a great athlete and must really be a nightmare to mark.

> I caught some of Algeria-Slovenia this morning and I
> thought they both actually looked pretty good--got the ball down the
> field fast. And now Slovenia leads the group! Tough situation for
> the US, Slovenia can clinch by beating us, but I think we can rise to
> the occasion. The English defense may have trouble against those
> teams, in my opinion.
>
> DK
>
> (Looking forward to Serbia-Ghana!)


From: Manx Gunner on 13 Jun 2010 13:37
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:37:32 -0700, Bob wrote...

> Altidore is a great athlete and must really be a nightmare to mark.

He is, but I'm fairly sure that Jamie Redknapp could blow past Carragher
at this stage... in his suit and wingtips.
From: Werner Pichler on 14 Jun 2010 03:28
On 13 Jun., 17:10, Clément <lcmello.lis...(a)terra.com.br> wrote:

> I can't tell if this is the best US team ever, but I really like this
> team. I love teams that become better than the sum of their parts
> through organization and discipline.


In that case, like me, you must have been incredibly frustrated
by Serbia.


Ciao,
Werner
From: Winston Smith, American Patriot on 14 Jun 2010 03:41
On Jun 13, 4:35 pm, Kaise...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
> (Looking forward to Serbia-Ghana!)

I am looking forward to the England-Algeria match on Friday.

It means the British press and supporters will have something else to
whine about rather than how they were the better-team-that-shoulda-won
in Saturday's play. God help the ref should he award the Algerians a
game-tying or -winning penalty kick.

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