From: Alessandro Riolo on
On 4 June, 20:27, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> I thought you drove on the Kara Yol on the right side and payed for
> things in Lira?  :-)

Have you ever visited places like Hisaronu, Fetihye, Patara, Kaş? They
even sell glasses of tea in pound around there ...

--
ale
http://ale.riolo.co.uk
From: Bruce D. Scott on
Alessandro Riolo (alessandro.riolo(a)gmail.com) wrote:
: On 4 June, 20:27, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
: > I thought you drove on the Kara Yol on the right side and payed for
: > things in Lira? =C2=A0:-)

: Have you ever visited places like Hisaronu, Fetihye, Patara, Ka=C5=9F? They
: even sell glasses of tea in pound around there ...

I was mostly only in the East, where a tea is a little cup is a tea :-)

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Mark V. on
On Jun 4, 11:03 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote:

>
> It is said there were lots of Italian sour grapes after the French won Euro
> 2000 in extremis. The circumstances of the 2006  WC final didn't improve the
> situation, as could be seen in the widespread attempts to downgrade the
> French performance.

Has there ever been a World Cup won by a team other than Brazil in
which there weren't attempts from somewhere to downgrade the
performance of the champion? Recall how the Italians take frequent
hits on here, too. The only way to avoid being a questionable champion
is to win at least two of your group matches (preferably three) and
win all of the knockout matches in 90 minutes (plus added time),
preferably with your opponents at full-strength and your goals coming
from the run-of-play.

I do agree that it must suck when you want to celebrate and you have
to deal with annoying, sometimes cynical, other times bitter
detractors. But unless you are Brazil this is inevitable. I don't
think that any nation gets singled out for harsh treatment, the
severity of which depends on how close their matches were and on
whether or not there were questionable calls.
From: Bob on
Mark V. wrote:
> On Jun 4, 11:03 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It is said there were lots of Italian sour grapes after the French
>> won Euro 2000 in extremis. The circumstances of the 2006 WC final
>> didn't improve the situation, as could be seen in the widespread
>> attempts to downgrade the French performance.
>
> Has there ever been a World Cup won by a team other than Brazil in
> which there weren't attempts from somewhere to downgrade the
> performance of the champion? Recall how the Italians take frequent
> hits on here, too. The only way to avoid being a questionable champion
> is to win at least two of your group matches (preferably three) and
> win all of the knockout matches in 90 minutes (plus added time),
> preferably with your opponents at full-strength and your goals coming
> from the run-of-play.
>
> I do agree that it must suck when you want to celebrate and you have
> to deal with annoying, sometimes cynical, other times bitter
> detractors. But unless you are Brazil this is inevitable. I don't
> think that any nation gets singled out for harsh treatment, the
> severity of which depends on how close their matches were and on
> whether or not there were questionable calls.

My pet theory is that many Italians fans thought their team performance not
convincing during the final match and to justify their winning the world cup
despite being dominated, they felt they had to downrate the French team
performance by claiming that Malouda dived despite overwhelming evidence to
the contrary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGAJYQ_aBx0


From: Bruce D. Scott on
Mark V. (markvanderv1(a)yahoo.com) wrote:

: I do agree that it must suck when you want to celebrate and you have
: to deal with annoying, sometimes cynical, other times bitter
: detractors. But unless you are Brazil this is inevitable. I don't
: think that any nation gets singled out for harsh treatment, the
: severity of which depends on how close their matches were and on
: whether or not there were questionable calls.

If you're an Asian country that gets lucky and makes the semifinals you
have to put up with a double dose of it. Moreover, suppose the US had
beat Germany after the handball on Frings had been a penalty. Then the
US and S Korea would have met in the SF and one of them would have made
the Final. Imagine the conspiracy theories then! We would have got
just as much stick as the Koreans had we got past Germany with the help
of such a penalty, even though I argue it should have been called and
would have been perfectly legitimate.

--
ciao,
Bruce

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