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From: Bob on 4 Jun 2010 14:03 Bruce D. Scott wrote: > Bob (Bob(a)Bob.com) wrote: > >> Not to diminish what happened but unfortunately both countries got >> (get) away with a lot worse. I was trying to say there are likely >> some much bigger apples of contention between some Italians and >> French, which is ludicrous considering how much they have in common. > > From a USA perspective, even after 22 years in Germany, the thing > which amazes me so much is the extent of the differences among the big > countries. By our standards France, Italy, Spain, Germany, and > England are utterly, utterly different. Variations within their own borders are often as great as that between countries. The countries are very different from one another (although long standing cultural traditions often ignore political borders) but I am not sure they are more different than say Northern versus Southern US states. > > On the France/Italy rivalry from the Italian perspective of my > colleagues, I didn't really know about it until the 2006 World Cup. > Not least the extent to which people supported S Korea just in order > to damage France. Colleagues were deriving and wishing for improbable > scenarios (like Togo damaging France) to kick them out at the group > stage. It is said there were lots of Italian sour grapes after the French won Euro 2000 in extremis. The circumstances of the 2006 WC final didn't improve the situation, as could be seen in the widespread attempts to downgrade the French performance.
From: Chagney Hunt on 4 Jun 2010 14:13 On Jun 4, 2:03 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > > It is said there were lots of Italian sour grapes after the French won Euro > 2000 in extremis. The circumstances of the 2006 WC final didn't improve the > situation, as could be seen in the widespread attempts to downgrade the > French performance. Well, Malouda did dive.
From: Bob on 4 Jun 2010 14:27 Chagney Hunt wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:03 pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: >> >> It is said there were lots of Italian sour grapes after the French >> won Euro 2000 in extremis. The circumstances of the 2006 WC final >> didn't improve the situation, as could be seen in the widespread >> attempts to downgrade the French performance. > > Well, Malouda did dive. troll
From: Bruce D. Scott on 4 Jun 2010 15:27 Real Mardin (real_mardin(a)yahoo.co.uk) wrote: : On Jun 3, 5:38=A0pm, Mark <Pammieshe...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: : > On Jun 3, 2:19=A0am, Chagney Hunt <ess...(a)gmail.com> wrote: : > : > : > : > > England - Germany: clinically dead. England exorcised their German : > > ghost with that 5-1 drubbing in Munich. Germany need to eliminate : > > England on pens again just to warm this corpse up. : > : > Was this ever anything more than sour grapes from the English because : > of the penalty shoot out defeats at the 1990 World Cup and 1996 : > European championship? I lived in england until 1997 and I wasn't : > aware of any rivalry between these 2! : ?????? : Did you notice that we drive on the left hand side of the road and : that the currency is Pound Sterling? I thought you drove on the Kara Yol on the right side and payed for things in Lira? :-) -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Bruce D. Scott on 4 Jun 2010 15:31
Chagney Hunt (essetm(a)gmail.com) wrote: : On Jun 4, 2:03=A0pm, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: : > : > It is said there were lots of Italian sour grapes after the French won Eu= : ro : > 2000 in extremis. The circumstances of the 2006 =A0WC final didn't improv= : e the : > situation, as could be seen in the widespread attempts to downgrade the : > French performance. : Well, Malouda did dive. The penalty against Portugal in the semis was jammy as well. -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ |