From: Chagney Hunt on
On Jun 3, 12:38 pm, Mark <Pammieshe...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jun 3, 2:19 am, Chagney Hunt <ess...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > England - Germany: clinically dead. England exorcised their German
> > ghost with that 5-1 drubbing in Munich. Germany need to eliminate
> > England on pens again just to warm this corpse up.
>
> Was this ever anything more than sour grapes from the English because
> of the penalty shoot out defeats at the 1990 World Cup and 1996
> European championship?

Mainly that, but there was also a little matter of '66 final ("We Wuz
ROBBED!!!") and the '70 meet, in which the Germans started their come-
back by smacking Bobby Charlton squarely in the gonads :-)

> I lived in england until 1997 and I wasn't
> aware of any rivalry between these 2!

From: Chagney Hunt on
On Jun 2, 9:47 pm, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> Chagney Hunt (ess...(a)gmail.com) wrote:
>
> : France - Italy: Some crucial meetings recently -- 2 finals (2000,
> : 2006), but only *that* headbutt generated some heated words. But then
> : again, the Italians have had such words for everybody they've lost
> : to :-)
>
> This is one of the biggest if you know a few Italians :-)
> They are alwys happy to see France damaged...  to the point of
> supporting South Korea in 2006 when they were in France's group!
> Friends tell me they are satisfied with elimination if France go out
> first.
>

I don't get it, though. France was never a threat to Italy in football
until the 90s. They met in 86, but even the most impertinent Italian
couldn't argue they that they didn't deserve to lose.

So it must be a historical rivalry -- like England - France, or France
- Germany (haven't met in a meaningful football match since '86)

> : Spain - Italy: I didn't even know this was a rivalry until Spain made
> : a big deal of beating Italy on pens.
>
> Very big since the 1994 Tassotti incident.  Maybe slightly less now.

I thought it was more Spanish self-pity than anything, not until Italy
returned the vitriol in kind it was a rivalry :-)
From: Chagney Hunt on
On Jun 2, 11:52 pm, "Adama" <s...(a)invalid.com> wrote:
> "Chagney Hunt" <ess...(a)gmail.com> a crit dans le message de news:
> bf4aae5f-a91e-4923-9437-279afaf4b...(a)u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > England - Scotland: haven't met for a while (Scottish FA refused to
> > renew the annual meet, perhaps they're waiting for a better crop of
> > players). Anyway, the hate has been largely just one sided for 2
> > decades.
>
> > Netherlands - Germany: a shadow of what it was from 88-92. Modern
> > players are too PR-trained to mouth off vitriolic comments for the
> > other side to misconstrue.
>
> > Argentina - Brazil: Still a rivalry, but if it keeps going the way it
> > has been, it'll be just Argentines hating Brasucas.
>
> > England - Germany: clinically dead. England exorcised their German
> > ghost with that 5-1 drubbing in Munich. Germany need to eliminate
> > England on pens again just to warm this corpse up.
>
> > Uruguay - Argentina: Dead, or almost so. Anyone still cares other than
> > Uruguayans and really old Argentines?
>
> > France - Italy: Some crucial meetings recently -- 2 finals (2000,
> > 2006), but only *that* headbutt generated some heated words. But then
> > again, the Italians have had such words for everybody they've lost
> > to :-)
>
> > Spain - Italy: I didn't even know this was a rivalry until Spain made
> > a big deal of beating Italy on pens.
>
> There is still good old France Germany.

It's not a rivalry when one side always win :-)
From: Jesper Lauridsen on
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:19:00 -0700 (PDT), Chagney Hunt <essetm(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Netherlands - Germany: a shadow of what it was from 88-92. Modern
>players are too PR-trained to mouth off vitriolic comments for the
>other side to misconstrue.

"Ohne Holland fahren wir nach WM" was a popular chant in Germany in 2002. Also
some anti-NL banners at Germany matches in Japan. It's still on.

>England - Germany: clinically dead. England exorcised their German
>ghost with that 5-1 drubbing in Munich. Germany need to eliminate
>England on pens again just to warm this corpse up.

Germans never knew about this anyway.
From: Jesper Lauridsen on
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:52:07 +0200, "Adama" <spam(a)invalid.com> wrote:

>There is still good old France Germany.

Is that a big deal in France?
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