From: Clément on 7 Jul 2010 20:41 "Mehdi" escreveu: > > Dunga was a brave choice and despite the meltdown against the Dutch > I thought he did very well and I greatly admired the ruthless, machine > like efficiency of his team although I appear to be in the minority. That makes at least two of us. > Scolari has been awful since the World Cup, like CAP before him. They > peaked. I'm afraid you might be right about Scolari. > What about Lourenco or Zico? Rog�rio Louren�o is very unproven, and, frankly, I would be wary of pretty much any of the Brazil youth team's coaches from the last 10-15 years. More often than not, they seem to fail to build good teams, especially considering the amount of available talent. Zico would be an intriguing choice. He has the charisma, he is respected, is a media darling, and has experience. I'm not sure he would be interested, though. One of the best Brazilian coaches of the last 4-5 years has been Muricy Ramalho. However, his teams are fairly pragmatic, and he is quite media-unfriendly himself, so the thinking here is that CBF won't want a second coach like that in a row. There's a lot of talk about Mano Menezes. He was very good for Gr�mio, and has done a solid job at Corinthians - and the fact he is Corinthians' coach plays a big role on his name being thrown out as a candidate. But I'm not sure he has the pedigree. Leonardo would be a brave choice, as was Dunga. He is an intelligent and levelheaded man, it could work. Then again, would CBF be willing to go with an unexperienced coach for the second time in a row? Abra�o, Luiz Mello
From: Ll�o on 8 Jul 2010 02:36 "Cl�ment" <lcmello.listas(a)terra.com.br> escreveu na mensagem news:i136lh$95j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > "Mehdi" escreveu: >> >> Dunga was a brave choice and despite the meltdown against the Dutch >> I thought he did very well and I greatly admired the ruthless, machine >> like efficiency of his team although I appear to be in the minority. > > That makes at least two of us. Three of us if you count me in. >> Scolari has been awful since the World Cup, like CAP before him. They >> peaked. > > I'm afraid you might be right about Scolari. Since WC'2006 I presume. Got to concede you both have a point there. >> What about Lourenco or Zico? > > Rog�rio Louren�o is very unproven, and, frankly, I would be wary of pretty > much any of the Brazil youth team's coaches from the last 10-15 years. > More often than not, they seem to fail to build good teams, especially > considering the amount of available talent. Seconded. I don't think CBF even considers him. > Zico would be an intriguing choice. He has the charisma, he is respected, > is a media darling, and has experience. I'm not sure he would be > interested, though. Zico did fine as manager of Japan. Indeed, I think that Japan's Asian Cup win in 2004 should rank very high in his accomplishments list. It was an environment as hostile as it could get, and the Japanese demonstrated steel-like mental strenght. But as manager of Brasil, given the expectations that are being built over 2014 since now ("it's the one we HAVE to WIN"), I don't know... for all the talk about "being patient" for the renewing process, I think there will be immense pressure anyway. And why should Zico choose it over his current position, at the club he is worshipped? I can't end a reference about Zico without mentioning that, when Japan scored two goals via free kicks against Denmark, the Brasilian media went on about how Zico "taught them how to take free kicks". Of course, seeing as how things went against Paraguay, I can't help but think he might have taught them penalties too :-) > One of the best Brazilian coaches of the last 4-5 years has been Muricy > Ramalho. However, his teams are fairly pragmatic, and he is quite > media-unfriendly himself, so the thinking here is that CBF won't want a > second coach like that in a row. Muricy could be a nice choice, but I sure hope that his media-unfriendly nature is not the main reason to keep him from taking over, in case both parties are interested. > There's a lot of talk about Mano Menezes. He was very good for Gr�mio, and > has done a solid job at Corinthians - and the fact he is Corinthians' > coach plays a big role on his name being thrown out as a candidate. But > I'm not sure he has the pedigree. Another possible nice choice. He said he hasn't been approached and it's all rumours, though, and according to Corinthians president Andres Sanchez, who was with the Brasilian staff in South Africa, he's tied to them until 2011 (not sure which month) > Leonardo would be a brave choice, as was Dunga. He is an intelligent and > levelheaded man, it could work. Then again, would CBF be willing to go > with an unexperienced coach for the second time in a row? Fwiw, apart from Scolari he is the only other "candidate" who seemed interested on the job. -- Ll�o
From: Abubakr on 8 Jul 2010 03:02 On Jul 8, 4:36 pm, "Lléo" <lleo...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > "Clément" <lcmello.lis...(a)terra.com.br> escreveu na mensagemnews:i136lh$95j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > "Mehdi" escreveu: > > >> Dunga was a brave choice and despite the meltdown against the Dutch > >> I thought he did very well and I greatly admired the ruthless, machine > >> like efficiency of his team although I appear to be in the minority. > > > That makes at least two of us. > > Three of us if you count me in. Indeed, he did a fine job of including three or four absolutely useless players in lieu of you know who for the sake being his own man and a 'squad unity' that, like his own poise, went down the shitter when the chips were down.
From: Clément on 8 Jul 2010 07:16 On Jul 8, 4:02 am, Abubakr wrote: > On Jul 8, 4:36 pm, "Lléo" wrote: > > "Clément" escreveu: > > > > "Mehdi" escreveu: > > > >> Dunga was a brave choice and despite the meltdown against the Dutch > > >> I thought he did very well and I greatly admired the ruthless, machine > > >> like efficiency of his team although I appear to be in the minority. > > > > That makes at least two of us. > > > Three of us if you count me in. > > Indeed, he did a fine job of including three or four absolutely > useless players in lieu of you know who for the sake being his own man See, I would be a 100% with you here, if "you know who" had earned a spot in the NT. Having a guy like him would go a long way towards having the much needed Plan B for our game plan, as deadly efficient as it was in appropriate circumstances. Did Dunga put a weight on loyalty and trust. Yes he did, and a lot, but it was never disconnected of what those playeds delivered on the field *for the NT*. It's not like he took anyone who performed badly under him (although he did take one or two players that weren't tested that much). > and a 'squad unity' that, like his own poise, went down the shitter > when the chips were down. I don't think the squad unity ever went down at this WC. The players were behind Dunga and there were no squad rifts (at least no one worth mention by a press that was eager to point out flaws to Dunga's approach). Obviously, this no consolation when you ended upo losing the World Cup all the same, but we must give Dunga that: he build a solid group environment, with a remarkable work ethic. This is no small feat when it comes to the Brazilian NT. Abraço, Luiz Mello
From: Clément on 8 Jul 2010 07:25
On Jul 8, 3:36 am, "Lléo" wrote: > > But as manager of Brasil, given the expectations that are being built over > 2014 since now ("it's the one we HAVE to WIN"), I don't know... for all the > talk about "being patient" for the renewing process, I think there will be > immense pressure anyway. And why should Zico choose it over his current > position, at the club he is worshipped? Keep in mind that he hesitated for years before accepting a position at framengo's staff, and only did so when club president Patricia Amorim (who seems to be a honest person, for a change) took over. It might be that he didn't want to work with previous boards, but most likely and more importantly, he wouldn't want to taint his unblemished image. This could be a factor when and if he gets a call from CBF. Would he want to take on the challenge? > I can't end a reference about Zico without mentioning that, when Japan > scored two goals via free kicks against Denmark, the Brasilian media went on > about how Zico "taught them how to take free kicks". Of course, seeing as > how things went against Paraguay, I can't help but think he might have > taught them penalties too :-) This is a good example of the kind of slack he could get from the media if he were the NT coach. Any setback would be anyone else's fault before being pinned on Zico. He would be an UnDunga in this sense. > Muricy could be a nice choice, but I sure hope that his media-unfriendly > nature is not the main reason to keep him from taking over, in case both > parties are interested. Not only his public image, but also his pragmatic approach, in case CBF decides to go with a coach prone to make Brazil play in the "Brazilian way" (whatever that means). Abraço, Luiz Mello |