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From: milivella on 17 Dec 2009 02:54
....according to La Gazzetta dello Sport:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/giovani_stelle.shtml

"Next generation" = born in 1989 or after
Ranking criterium: what impact could they have on the "next" (i.e. the
present?) season, considering club team, national league and national
team.

Fantasy Scout legenda:
* picked
[there is no pickable player!]

* 30 Federico Macheda (Manchester Utd) - Alessandro
29 Eden Hazard (Lilla)
28 Jefferson Montero (Villarreal)
27 Levan Kenia (Schalke 04)
26 Batuhan Karadeniz (Gaziantepspor)
25 Sotiris Ninis (Panathinaikos)
24 Victor Ibarbo (Atletico Nacional)
* 22 Douglas Costa (Gremio) - Andrea V. [Jesus' nemesis!]
23 Gareth Bale (Tottenham)
* 21 Toni Kroos (Bayer Leverkusen)
20 Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal)
* 19 Moussa Sissoko (Tolosa) - Cristian
* 18 Jack Wilshere (Arsenal) - Mark
17 Marko Arnautovic (Inter)
16 Abel Hernandez (Palermo)
* 15 Franco Zuculini (Hoffenheim) - Enzo
* 14 Timo Gebhart (Stoccarda) - Gianmarco
13 Jozy Altidore (Hull City)
12 Alan Dzagoev (Cska Mosca)
* 11 Neymar (Santos) - Jesus
* 10 Marko Marin (Werder Brema)
* 9 Javier Pastore (Palermo) - Abubakr
* 8 Thomas Mueller (Bayern) - Daniele
* 7 Davide Santon (Inter) - Alberto
* 6 Theo Walcott (Arsenal) - Andrea V.
* 5 Eduardo Salvio (Lanus) - Generoso
* 4 Bojan Krkic (Barcellona) - Alberto
* 3 Mario Balotelli (Inter)
2 Stevan Jovetic (Fiorentina)
* 1 Alexandre Pato (Milan) - Jesus

---

You can compare this ranking with the one produced by Daniele's
prediction formula:

1 Alexandre Pato
2 Santon
3 Walcott
4 Marin
5 Sissoko
6 Zuculini
7 Salvio
8 Insua
9 De Federico
10 Krkic

I'd say that Daniele's formula is superb.

---

Under the 1st cycle rules, it's possible to compute a scout ranking:

Player's points = 100/position
Scout points = (sum of player points) / (number of player born in 1989
or after)

36.36 Jesus
19.64 Alberto
11.11 Abubakr
6.25 Daniele
4.24 Andrea V.
3.34 Enzo
3.33 Alessandro
2.85 Generoso
1.85 Mark
1.75 Cristian
1.43 Gianmarco
0.00 Everyone else

--
Cheers
milivella
From: milivella on 17 Dec 2009 03:14
milivella:

> You can compare this ranking with the one produced by Daniele's
> prediction formula:
>
>  1 Alexandre Pato
>  2 Santon
>  3 Walcott
>  4 Marin
>  5 Sissoko
>  6 Zuculini
>  7 Salvio
>  8 Insua
>  9 De Federico
> 10 Krkic
>
> I'd say that Daniele's formula is superb.

Or maybe not. ;) In fact, if you compare this ranking with Gazzetta's
Fantasy Scout sub-ranking (1. Pato, 2. Balotelli, etc.), the distance
is 35.11. But if you run the same computation for the Fantasy Scout
actual ranking (i.e. points scored so far, not predicted) [1], the
distance is 34.48.

At least Daniele's formula doesn't screw up things. And of course it
would have a far better outcome if feed with more data, e.g. from club
football (e.g. Balotelli is a 0-pointer in Fanatasy Scout, but is a 46
match played + 15 goals scored in Serie A, 11+2 in UCL) and/or youth
international football (Balotelli in Italy U-21: 14 caps + 6 goals).

[1] Here it is:
1 Walcott
2 Alexandre Pato
3 Marin
4 Santon
5 Sissoko
6 Zuculini
7 Salvio
8 Insua
9 Krkic
10 Anyone else

--
Cheers
milivella
From: Mark on 17 Dec 2009 05:48
On Dec 17, 7:54 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> ...according to La Gazzetta dello Sport:http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/giovani_stelle.shtml
>
> "Next generation" = born in 1989 or after
> Ranking criterium: what impact could they have on the "next" (i.e. the
> present?) season, considering club team, national league and national
> team.
>
> Fantasy Scout legenda:
> * picked
> [there is no pickable player!]
>
> * 30 Federico Macheda (Manchester Utd) - Alessandro
>   29 Eden Hazard (Lilla)
>   28 Jefferson Montero (Villarreal)
>   27 Levan Kenia (Schalke 04)
>   26 Batuhan Karadeniz (Gaziantepspor)
>   25 Sotiris Ninis (Panathinaikos)
>   24 Victor Ibarbo (Atletico Nacional)
> * 22 Douglas Costa (Gremio) - Andrea V. [Jesus' nemesis!]
>   23 Gareth Bale (Tottenham)
> * 21 Toni Kroos (Bayer Leverkusen)
>   20 Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal)
> * 19 Moussa Sissoko (Tolosa) - Cristian
> * 18 Jack Wilshere (Arsenal) - Mark
>   17 Marko Arnautovic (Inter)
>   16 Abel Hernandez (Palermo)
> * 15 Franco Zuculini (Hoffenheim) - Enzo
> * 14 Timo Gebhart (Stoccarda) - Gianmarco
>   13 Jozy Altidore (Hull City)
>   12 Alan Dzagoev (Cska Mosca)
> * 11 Neymar (Santos) - Jesus
> * 10 Marko Marin (Werder Brema)
> *  9 Javier Pastore (Palermo) - Abubakr
> *  8 Thomas Mueller (Bayern) - Daniele
> *  7 Davide Santon (Inter) - Alberto
> *  6 Theo Walcott (Arsenal) - Andrea V.
> *  5 Eduardo Salvio (Lanus) - Generoso
> *  4 Bojan Krkic (Barcellona) - Alberto
> *  3 Mario Balotelli (Inter)
>    2 Stevan Jovetic (Fiorentina)
> *  1 Alexandre Pato (Milan) - Jesus
>
> ---
Well the 'next generation' can hardly be expected to have much of an
impact next season. From that list, I'd pick Alexandre Pato and Neymar
as likely stars of the future; and one they missed, Freddy Adu.
From: Mark V. on 17 Dec 2009 12:53
On Dec 17, 5:48 am, Mark <Pammieshe...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 7:54 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...according to La Gazzetta dello Sport:http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/giovani_stelle.shtml
>
> > "Next generation" = born in 1989 or after
> > Ranking criterium: what impact could they have on the "next" (i.e. the
> > present?) season, considering club team, national league and national
> > team.
>
> > Fantasy Scout legenda:
> > * picked
> > [there is no pickable player!]
>
> > * 30 Federico Macheda (Manchester Utd) - Alessandro
> >   29 Eden Hazard (Lilla)
> >   28 Jefferson Montero (Villarreal)
> >   27 Levan Kenia (Schalke 04)
> >   26 Batuhan Karadeniz (Gaziantepspor)
> >   25 Sotiris Ninis (Panathinaikos)
> >   24 Victor Ibarbo (Atletico Nacional)
> > * 22 Douglas Costa (Gremio) - Andrea V. [Jesus' nemesis!]
> >   23 Gareth Bale (Tottenham)
> > * 21 Toni Kroos (Bayer Leverkusen)
> >   20 Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal)
> > * 19 Moussa Sissoko (Tolosa) - Cristian
> > * 18 Jack Wilshere (Arsenal) - Mark
> >   17 Marko Arnautovic (Inter)
> >   16 Abel Hernandez (Palermo)
> > * 15 Franco Zuculini (Hoffenheim) - Enzo
> > * 14 Timo Gebhart (Stoccarda) - Gianmarco
> >   13 Jozy Altidore (Hull City)
> >   12 Alan Dzagoev (Cska Mosca)
> > * 11 Neymar (Santos) - Jesus
> > * 10 Marko Marin (Werder Brema)
> > *  9 Javier Pastore (Palermo) - Abubakr
> > *  8 Thomas Mueller (Bayern) - Daniele
> > *  7 Davide Santon (Inter) - Alberto
> > *  6 Theo Walcott (Arsenal) - Andrea V.
> > *  5 Eduardo Salvio (Lanus) - Generoso
> > *  4 Bojan Krkic (Barcellona) - Alberto
> > *  3 Mario Balotelli (Inter)
> >    2 Stevan Jovetic (Fiorentina)
> > *  1 Alexandre Pato (Milan) - Jesus
>
> > ---
>
>  Well the 'next generation' can hardly be expected to have much of an
> impact next season. From that list, I'd pick Alexandre Pato and Neymar
> as likely stars of the future; and one they missed, Freddy Adu.

Very impressive of Daniele. I'd be interested in hearing what RSS-ers
think of their longer-term prospects on the basis of observation.
FWIW, I'm not bullish on Altidore as a world class player, though he
will have a long career as a goal scorer for the USMT. Eden Hazard
sounds too good to be true, and Salvio sounds like one of Benny's
midgets.
From: chris m on 18 Dec 2009 06:24

>
> Very impressive of Daniele. I'd be interested in hearing what RSS-ers
> think of their longer-term prospects on the basis of observation.
> FWIW, I'm not bullish on Altidore as a world class player, though he
> will have a long career as a goal scorer for the USMT. Eden Hazard
> sounds too good to be true, and Salvio sounds like one of Benny's
> midgets.

A second on the impressive work. On the basis of what I have seen,
having only watched critically maybe a third of the list, I first agree
with Mark V about Altidore. I like to make comparisons to existing
players, and to me he resembles a young Heskey. He will be a solid
classic center forward that will always disappoint by not scoring.

Of the top six, I like Balotelli the best, think Drogba with a harder
shot and more pace. Not as good in the air yet. Pato, Jovetic and
Krkic are all going to be world class players. I like Jovetic here,
he's not as flashy as they other two but possess a great football IQ.

My one major disagreement is Walcott. He has all the pace in the world
but has been horrid this year since his return, granted he's rusty.
But he can't cross the ball so save his life, and that's what he has to
do, run at people, open up the defense, and look for the open man. He
can't do it. Think Aaron Lennon who has gotten much better at making
an inspired pass this year. There might be hope but I don't think so.

I do like Ramsey but he is, I think a little too slow, but has a
thunderous shot. I think he is English, I'm not sure, if he is he
looks like the best bet as the next Gerrard/Lampard.

chris m
velvet underground allstars-still, barely top of the EPL Fantasy table
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