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From: TT on 16 Jul 2010 22:45
Calimero wrote:
> On 16 Jul., 04:31, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> A nice article... I have watched all these movies...except The Birds,
>> I like all of them. I am not a very big fan of either North By
>> Northwest (a James Bond type movie which I didn't find too thrilling)
>> or Vertigo (somewhat cold, I couldn't sympathize with any character).
>> I like the early ones better. Unlike most people I think his best era
>> was from 1938 - The Lady Vanishes to 1946 - Notorious). But I do like
>> some of his latter movies like Dial M For Murder and Psycho very much.
>> I would replace The Birds with Rebecca or Shadow Of A Doubt, both are
>> absolute masterpieces in my opinion. I also like Lifeboat, his most
>> underrated movie.
>>
>> http://classicfilm.about.com/od/actorsanddirectors/tp/Best-Hitchcock-...
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Alfred Hitchcock had a long, productive career making fine movies that
>> all bore his distinctive trademarks, all including a cameo by the
>> portly "Master of Suspense" himself. Some of them were masterpieces;
>> all of them are entertaining. Here's a list of nine of the best Alfred
>> Hitchcock movies.
>>
>> 1. 'The 39 Steps' - 1935
>> Made during his early career in Britain, The 39 Steps is stamped with
>> Hitchcock movie hallmarks - an innocent man on the run, unwillingly
>> accompanied by an icy blonde who's not sure she can trust him. It's an
>> involving espionage mystery that jaunts across the streets of London
>> to the Scottish countryside, with a tight plot and clever dialogue.
>> There's good chemistry between Robert Donat as the plucky Canadian
>> hero and Madeleine Carroll literally handcuffed together. Donat is
>> delightful when he is mistaken for a political candidate and has to
>> give a rousing, impromptu speech - a scene Hitchcock would repeat in
>> subsequent films.
>>
>> 2. 'The Lady Vanishes' - 1938
>> Suppose you're chatting with a charming old lady on a train. You doze
>> off, - and the lady vanishes. What's more, no one on the train will
>> believe that she was ever there, That's the problem Hitchcock sets
>> plucky Margaret Lockwood and fellow traveler Michael Redgrave, the
>> only other passenger willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. A
>> great cast with Dame May Whitty as the disappearing Miss Froy and a
>> stable of terrific comic English actors rounds out the mystery, and
>> the fun. There's always sly or macabre humor in Hitchcock films, but
>> The Lady Vanishes may be his most amusing movie - one of the last he
>> made in England, and a box-office success that helped ensure his
>> welcome in Hollywood.
>>
>> 3. 'Notorious' - 1946
>> Tense espionage thriller with Hitchcock's favorite actor, Cary Grant,
>> as an upright American agent and Ingrid Bergman as the daughter of a
>> German spy. Bergman - at heart an American patriot - is a notorious
>> party girl and a drinker. Grant recruits her as an agent to infiltrate
>> a Nazi plot in Rio, and of course falls in love with her. Despite a
>> passionate kissing scene that runs three minutes, they can't quite get
>> their act together. Cary fails to claim her, and lets her go off to
>> serve her country in the arms of the chief local Nazi, Claude Rains.
>> Terrific sexual tension and nail-biting suspense, along with great
>> examples of Hitchcock "McGuffins" (in this case a key and some wine
>> bottles) that serve both as plot devices and symbols.
>>
>> 4. 'Strangers on a Train' - 1951
>> Yet another chance Hitchcock meeting of strangers on a train - this
>> one with a strong homoerotic subtext and a particularly nasty murder.
>> Professional tennis player Guy Haines (Farley Granger) meets idle rich
>> boy Bruno Anthony (Robert Walker), who turns out to know quite a bit
>> about Guy - enough to propose a bizarre double murder. He'll get rid
>> of Guy's coarse and cheating wife, and Guy will do away with Bruno's
>> domineering dad, who's withholding the trust fund. The idea is that
>> they'll each have alibis and escape detection. Walker is truly creepy;
>> there are some unforgettable camera angles and set shots; and a
>> terrifying climax with an out-of control carousel. Thrilling stuff.
>>
>> 5. 'Rear Window' - 1954
>> No trains here, but Hitchcockian voyeurism and obsession are on full
>> display. Photographer Jimmy Stewart is laid up with a broken leg,
>> spying on his fellow New Yorker in a courtyard surrounded by apartment
>> houses. Seen from his rear window, they're funny, lonely, lively and
>> possibly deadly, in the case of the mysterious traveling salesman
>> whose sickly, nagging wife suddenly disappears. Stewart enlists the
>> help of his gorgeous girlfriend, elegant Grace Kelly as a Park Avenue
>> fashion model/designer, to solve the mystery. A bizarrely original
>> plot, ingenious set and heart-pounding suspense highlight Rear Window,
>> along with a fascinating look at the open windows of New York
>> apartment life in the days before air conditioning.
>> Read Review
>>
>> 6. 'Vertigo' - 1958
>> I favor North by Northwest, but many see Vertigo, a brooding
>> exploration of obsession, failed nerve and lost love as Hitchcock's
>> masterpiece movie. It's filmed in a dreamlike haze on the oddly empty
>> streets of San Francisco, as Jimmy Stewart pursues Kim Novak, another
>> elegant Hitchcock blonde, who seems to slip in and out of her dead
>> great-grandmother's persona. Here again is the central Hitchcock motif
>> of a pair of lovers who are made for each other, but can't quite come
>> to a place of trust, and for good reason. The plot's a little iffy,
>> but that's not the point in this almost surreal tale. You'll find
>> yourself thinking back on its slow, dreamy scenes for days after you
>> see it.
>>
>> 7. 'North by Northwest' - 1959
>> This one's got just about every Hitchcock theme stuffed masterfully
>> inside. A "chance" meeting on a train, mistaken identity, a man
>> falsely accused, an icy blonde, a little voyeurism, a touch of
>> homoeroticism, a woman sent to seduce a spy for love of her country
>> and locations that range from Madison Avenue to Mount Rushmore. Whew!
>> Its all wildly entertaining, with Cary Grant as the impossibly
>> debonair, quick-thinking hero, Eva-Marie Saint as the ice-blonde femme
>> fatale, James Mason as the dastardly spy and Martin Landau as his too-
>> devoted henchman. Witty dialogue, a breakneck pace and a microfilm
>> McGuffin. People, what are you waiting for? Go watch this movie. And
>> if you've already seen it, go watch it again!
>> Read Review
>>
>> 8. 'Psycho' - 1960
>> Not Hitchcock's best film, but perhaps his most famous. Shocking in
>> its day, it seems tame by modern horror movie standards, but it can
>> still pack a jolt or two. Janet Leigh is a comely criminal who rips
>> off her boss and makes a very bad decision to spend a night at the
>> Bates Motel. There she meets Norman Bates, mild-mannered momma's boy
>> and serious psycho. He likes to spy on motel guests (voyeurism again)
>> and gets a little agitated, which leads to the infamous shower scene.
>> With its famous screeching-violin score by Bernard Herrman, it seems a
>> bit campy now, but countless horror movies owe a great deal to this
>> classic Hitchcock film.
>>
>> 9. 'The Birds' - 1963
>> Bizarre and absolutely unforgettable, Hitchcock's The Birds is the
>> story of an inexplicable avian attack on a quiet seaside town. For no
>> apparent reason, the birds attack kids at birthday parties, innocent
>> farmers and school teachers in vicious, mindless waves. While it's
>> tempting to see it as an ecological fable, the film really has more to
>> do with primal human forces. It's Hitchcock's trademark exploration of
>> men with strong mothers and the relative attractions of icy blondes
>> like Tippi Hedren versus earthy beauties like Suzanne Pleshette.
>> Trained birds, mechanical birds and animated birds make for
>> spectacular scenes of menace, and the vision of crows settling
>> silently on a school playground, one by one, will stay with you.
>
>
> Vertigo is by far the best.
> I don't think there is any disagreement on this among movie experts.
>
>
> Max

Surely there is...I hope.

My favourites are Dial M, Vertigo, Birds and Rear Window...in that order.
From: Raja, The Great on 16 Jul 2010 22:57
On Jul 16, 9:45 pm, TT <n...(a)email.org> wrote:
> Calimero wrote:
> > On 16 Jul., 04:31, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> A nice article... I have watched all these movies...except The Birds,
> >> I like all of them. I am not a very big fan of either North By
> >> Northwest (a James Bond type movie which I didn't find too thrilling)
> >> or Vertigo (somewhat cold, I couldn't sympathize with any character).
> >> I like the early ones better. Unlike most people I think his best era
> >> was from 1938 - The Lady Vanishes to 1946 - Notorious). But I do like
> >> some of his latter movies like Dial M For Murder and Psycho very much.
> >> I would replace The Birds with Rebecca or Shadow Of A Doubt, both are
> >> absolute masterpieces in my opinion. I also like Lifeboat, his most
> >> underrated movie.
>
> >>http://classicfilm.about.com/od/actorsanddirectors/tp/Best-Hitchcock-....
>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> Alfred Hitchcock had a long, productive career making fine movies that
> >> all bore his distinctive trademarks, all including a cameo by the
> >> portly "Master of Suspense" himself. Some of them were masterpieces;
> >> all of them are entertaining. Here's a list of nine of the best Alfred
> >> Hitchcock movies.
>
> >> 1. 'The 39 Steps' - 1935
> >> Made during his early career in Britain, The 39 Steps is stamped with
> >> Hitchcock movie hallmarks - an innocent man on the run, unwillingly
> >> accompanied by an icy blonde who's not sure she can trust him. It's an
> >> involving espionage mystery that jaunts across the streets of London
> >> to the Scottish countryside, with a tight plot and clever dialogue.
> >> There's good chemistry between Robert Donat as the plucky Canadian
> >> hero and Madeleine Carroll literally handcuffed together. Donat is
> >> delightful when he is mistaken for a political candidate and has to
> >> give a rousing, impromptu speech - a scene Hitchcock would repeat in
> >> subsequent films.
>
> >> 2. 'The Lady Vanishes' - 1938
> >> Suppose you're chatting with a charming old lady on a train. You doze
> >> off, - and the lady vanishes. What's more, no one on the train will
> >> believe that she was ever there, That's the problem Hitchcock sets
> >> plucky Margaret Lockwood and fellow traveler Michael Redgrave, the
> >> only other passenger willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. A
> >> great cast with Dame May Whitty as the disappearing Miss Froy and a
> >> stable of terrific comic English actors rounds out the mystery, and
> >> the fun. There's always sly or macabre humor in Hitchcock films, but
> >> The Lady Vanishes may be his most amusing movie - one of the last he
> >> made in England, and a box-office success that helped ensure his
> >> welcome in Hollywood.
>
> >> 3. 'Notorious' - 1946
> >> Tense espionage thriller with Hitchcock's favorite actor, Cary Grant,
> >> as an upright American agent and Ingrid Bergman as the daughter of a
> >> German spy. Bergman - at heart an American patriot - is a notorious
> >> party girl and a drinker. Grant recruits her as an agent to infiltrate
> >> a Nazi plot in Rio, and of course falls in love with her. Despite a
> >> passionate kissing scene that runs three minutes, they can't quite get
> >> their act together. Cary fails to claim her, and lets her go off to
> >> serve her country in the arms of the chief local Nazi, Claude Rains.
> >> Terrific sexual tension and nail-biting suspense, along with great
> >> examples of Hitchcock "McGuffins" (in this case a key and some wine
> >> bottles) that serve both as plot devices and symbols.
>
> >> 4. 'Strangers on a Train' - 1951
> >> Yet another chance Hitchcock meeting of strangers on a train - this
> >> one with a strong homoerotic subtext and a particularly nasty murder.
> >> Professional tennis player Guy Haines (Farley Granger) meets idle rich
> >> boy Bruno Anthony (Robert Walker), who turns out to know quite a bit
> >> about Guy - enough to propose a bizarre double murder. He'll get rid
> >> of Guy's coarse and cheating wife, and Guy will do away with Bruno's
> >> domineering dad, who's withholding the trust fund. The idea is that
> >> they'll each have alibis and escape detection. Walker is truly creepy;
> >> there are some unforgettable camera angles and set shots; and a
> >> terrifying climax with an out-of control carousel. Thrilling stuff.
>
> >> 5. 'Rear Window' - 1954
> >> No trains here, but Hitchcockian voyeurism and obsession are on full
> >> display. Photographer Jimmy Stewart is laid up with a broken leg,
> >> spying on his fellow New Yorker in a courtyard surrounded by apartment
> >> houses. Seen from his rear window, they're funny, lonely, lively and
> >> possibly deadly, in the case of the mysterious traveling salesman
> >> whose sickly, nagging wife suddenly disappears. Stewart enlists the
> >> help of his gorgeous girlfriend, elegant Grace Kelly as a Park Avenue
> >> fashion model/designer, to solve the mystery. A bizarrely original
> >> plot, ingenious set and heart-pounding suspense highlight Rear Window,
> >> along with a fascinating look at the open windows of New York
> >> apartment life in the days before air conditioning.
> >> Read Review
>
> >> 6. 'Vertigo' - 1958
> >> I favor North by Northwest, but many see Vertigo, a brooding
> >> exploration of obsession, failed nerve and lost love as Hitchcock's
> >> masterpiece movie. It's filmed in a dreamlike haze on the oddly empty
> >> streets of San Francisco, as Jimmy Stewart pursues Kim Novak, another
> >> elegant Hitchcock blonde, who seems to slip in and out of her dead
> >> great-grandmother's persona. Here again is the central Hitchcock motif
> >> of a pair of lovers who are made for each other, but can't quite come
> >> to a place of trust, and for good reason. The plot's a little iffy,
> >> but that's not the point in this almost surreal tale. You'll find
> >> yourself thinking back on its slow, dreamy scenes for days after you
> >> see it.
>
> >> 7. 'North by Northwest' - 1959
> >> This one's got just about every Hitchcock theme stuffed masterfully
> >> inside. A "chance" meeting on a train, mistaken identity, a man
> >> falsely accused, an icy blonde, a little voyeurism, a touch of
> >> homoeroticism, a woman sent to seduce a spy for love of her country
> >> and locations that range from Madison Avenue to Mount Rushmore. Whew!
> >> Its all wildly entertaining, with Cary Grant as the impossibly
> >> debonair, quick-thinking hero, Eva-Marie Saint as the ice-blonde femme
> >> fatale, James Mason as the dastardly spy and Martin Landau as his too-
> >> devoted henchman. Witty dialogue, a breakneck pace and a microfilm
> >> McGuffin. People, what are you waiting for? Go watch this movie. And
> >> if you've already seen it, go watch it again!
> >> Read Review
>
> >> 8. 'Psycho' - 1960
> >> Not Hitchcock's best film, but perhaps his most famous. Shocking in
> >> its day, it seems tame by modern horror movie standards, but it can
> >> still pack a jolt or two. Janet Leigh is a comely criminal who rips
> >> off her boss and makes a very bad decision to spend a night at the
> >> Bates Motel. There she meets Norman Bates, mild-mannered momma's boy
> >> and serious psycho. He likes to spy on motel guests (voyeurism again)
> >> and gets a little agitated, which leads to the infamous shower scene.
> >> With its famous screeching-violin score by Bernard Herrman, it seems a
> >> bit campy now, but countless horror movies owe a great deal to this
> >> classic Hitchcock film.
>
> >> 9. 'The Birds' - 1963
> >> Bizarre and absolutely unforgettable, Hitchcock's The Birds is the
> >> story of an inexplicable avian attack on a quiet seaside town. For no
> >> apparent reason, the birds attack kids at birthday parties, innocent
> >> farmers and school teachers in vicious, mindless waves. While it's
> >> tempting to see it as an ecological fable, the film really has more to
> >> do with primal human forces. It's Hitchcock's trademark exploration of
> >> men with strong mothers and the relative attractions of icy blondes
> >> like Tippi Hedren versus earthy beauties like Suzanne Pleshette.
> >> Trained birds, mechanical birds and animated birds make for
> >> spectacular scenes of menace, and the vision of crows settling
> >> silently on a school playground, one by one, will stay with you.
>
> > Vertigo is by far the best.
> > I don't think there is any disagreement on this among movie experts.
>
> > Max
>
> Surely there is...I hope.
>
> My favourites are Dial M, Vertigo, Birds and Rear Window...in that order.

No Psycho, Notorious?
From: TT on 17 Jul 2010 00:20
Raja, The Great wrote:
> On Jul 16, 9:45 pm, TT <n...(a)email.org> wrote:
>> Calimero wrote:
>>> On 16 Jul., 04:31, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A nice article... I have watched all these movies...except The Birds,
>>>> I like all of them. I am not a very big fan of either North By
>>>> Northwest (a James Bond type movie which I didn't find too thrilling)
>>>> or Vertigo (somewhat cold, I couldn't sympathize with any character).
>>>> I like the early ones better. Unlike most people I think his best era
>>>> was from 1938 - The Lady Vanishes to 1946 - Notorious). But I do like
>>>> some of his latter movies like Dial M For Murder and Psycho very much.
>>>> I would replace The Birds with Rebecca or Shadow Of A Doubt, both are
>>>> absolute masterpieces in my opinion. I also like Lifeboat, his most
>>>> underrated movie.
>>>> http://classicfilm.about.com/od/actorsanddirectors/tp/Best-Hitchcock-...
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Alfred Hitchcock had a long, productive career making fine movies that
>>>> all bore his distinctive trademarks, all including a cameo by the
>>>> portly "Master of Suspense" himself. Some of them were masterpieces;
>>>> all of them are entertaining. Here's a list of nine of the best Alfred
>>>> Hitchcock movies.
>>>> 1. 'The 39 Steps' - 1935
>>>> Made during his early career in Britain, The 39 Steps is stamped with
>>>> Hitchcock movie hallmarks - an innocent man on the run, unwillingly
>>>> accompanied by an icy blonde who's not sure she can trust him. It's an
>>>> involving espionage mystery that jaunts across the streets of London
>>>> to the Scottish countryside, with a tight plot and clever dialogue.
>>>> There's good chemistry between Robert Donat as the plucky Canadian
>>>> hero and Madeleine Carroll literally handcuffed together. Donat is
>>>> delightful when he is mistaken for a political candidate and has to
>>>> give a rousing, impromptu speech - a scene Hitchcock would repeat in
>>>> subsequent films.
>>>> 2. 'The Lady Vanishes' - 1938
>>>> Suppose you're chatting with a charming old lady on a train. You doze
>>>> off, - and the lady vanishes. What's more, no one on the train will
>>>> believe that she was ever there, That's the problem Hitchcock sets
>>>> plucky Margaret Lockwood and fellow traveler Michael Redgrave, the
>>>> only other passenger willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. A
>>>> great cast with Dame May Whitty as the disappearing Miss Froy and a
>>>> stable of terrific comic English actors rounds out the mystery, and
>>>> the fun. There's always sly or macabre humor in Hitchcock films, but
>>>> The Lady Vanishes may be his most amusing movie - one of the last he
>>>> made in England, and a box-office success that helped ensure his
>>>> welcome in Hollywood.
>>>> 3. 'Notorious' - 1946
>>>> Tense espionage thriller with Hitchcock's favorite actor, Cary Grant,
>>>> as an upright American agent and Ingrid Bergman as the daughter of a
>>>> German spy. Bergman - at heart an American patriot - is a notorious
>>>> party girl and a drinker. Grant recruits her as an agent to infiltrate
>>>> a Nazi plot in Rio, and of course falls in love with her. Despite a
>>>> passionate kissing scene that runs three minutes, they can't quite get
>>>> their act together. Cary fails to claim her, and lets her go off to
>>>> serve her country in the arms of the chief local Nazi, Claude Rains.
>>>> Terrific sexual tension and nail-biting suspense, along with great
>>>> examples of Hitchcock "McGuffins" (in this case a key and some wine
>>>> bottles) that serve both as plot devices and symbols.
>>>> 4. 'Strangers on a Train' - 1951
>>>> Yet another chance Hitchcock meeting of strangers on a train - this
>>>> one with a strong homoerotic subtext and a particularly nasty murder.
>>>> Professional tennis player Guy Haines (Farley Granger) meets idle rich
>>>> boy Bruno Anthony (Robert Walker), who turns out to know quite a bit
>>>> about Guy - enough to propose a bizarre double murder. He'll get rid
>>>> of Guy's coarse and cheating wife, and Guy will do away with Bruno's
>>>> domineering dad, who's withholding the trust fund. The idea is that
>>>> they'll each have alibis and escape detection. Walker is truly creepy;
>>>> there are some unforgettable camera angles and set shots; and a
>>>> terrifying climax with an out-of control carousel. Thrilling stuff.
>>>> 5. 'Rear Window' - 1954
>>>> No trains here, but Hitchcockian voyeurism and obsession are on full
>>>> display. Photographer Jimmy Stewart is laid up with a broken leg,
>>>> spying on his fellow New Yorker in a courtyard surrounded by apartment
>>>> houses. Seen from his rear window, they're funny, lonely, lively and
>>>> possibly deadly, in the case of the mysterious traveling salesman
>>>> whose sickly, nagging wife suddenly disappears. Stewart enlists the
>>>> help of his gorgeous girlfriend, elegant Grace Kelly as a Park Avenue
>>>> fashion model/designer, to solve the mystery. A bizarrely original
>>>> plot, ingenious set and heart-pounding suspense highlight Rear Window,
>>>> along with a fascinating look at the open windows of New York
>>>> apartment life in the days before air conditioning.
>>>> Read Review
>>>> 6. 'Vertigo' - 1958
>>>> I favor North by Northwest, but many see Vertigo, a brooding
>>>> exploration of obsession, failed nerve and lost love as Hitchcock's
>>>> masterpiece movie. It's filmed in a dreamlike haze on the oddly empty
>>>> streets of San Francisco, as Jimmy Stewart pursues Kim Novak, another
>>>> elegant Hitchcock blonde, who seems to slip in and out of her dead
>>>> great-grandmother's persona. Here again is the central Hitchcock motif
>>>> of a pair of lovers who are made for each other, but can't quite come
>>>> to a place of trust, and for good reason. The plot's a little iffy,
>>>> but that's not the point in this almost surreal tale. You'll find
>>>> yourself thinking back on its slow, dreamy scenes for days after you
>>>> see it.
>>>> 7. 'North by Northwest' - 1959
>>>> This one's got just about every Hitchcock theme stuffed masterfully
>>>> inside. A "chance" meeting on a train, mistaken identity, a man
>>>> falsely accused, an icy blonde, a little voyeurism, a touch of
>>>> homoeroticism, a woman sent to seduce a spy for love of her country
>>>> and locations that range from Madison Avenue to Mount Rushmore. Whew!
>>>> Its all wildly entertaining, with Cary Grant as the impossibly
>>>> debonair, quick-thinking hero, Eva-Marie Saint as the ice-blonde femme
>>>> fatale, James Mason as the dastardly spy and Martin Landau as his too-
>>>> devoted henchman. Witty dialogue, a breakneck pace and a microfilm
>>>> McGuffin. People, what are you waiting for? Go watch this movie. And
>>>> if you've already seen it, go watch it again!
>>>> Read Review
>>>> 8. 'Psycho' - 1960
>>>> Not Hitchcock's best film, but perhaps his most famous. Shocking in
>>>> its day, it seems tame by modern horror movie standards, but it can
>>>> still pack a jolt or two. Janet Leigh is a comely criminal who rips
>>>> off her boss and makes a very bad decision to spend a night at the
>>>> Bates Motel. There she meets Norman Bates, mild-mannered momma's boy
>>>> and serious psycho. He likes to spy on motel guests (voyeurism again)
>>>> and gets a little agitated, which leads to the infamous shower scene.
>>>> With its famous screeching-violin score by Bernard Herrman, it seems a
>>>> bit campy now, but countless horror movies owe a great deal to this
>>>> classic Hitchcock film.
>>>> 9. 'The Birds' - 1963
>>>> Bizarre and absolutely unforgettable, Hitchcock's The Birds is the
>>>> story of an inexplicable avian attack on a quiet seaside town. For no
>>>> apparent reason, the birds attack kids at birthday parties, innocent
>>>> farmers and school teachers in vicious, mindless waves. While it's
>>>> tempting to see it as an ecological fable, the film really has more to
>>>> do with primal human forces. It's Hitchcock's trademark exploration of
>>>> men with strong mothers and the relative attractions of icy blondes
>>>> like Tippi Hedren versus earthy beauties like Suzanne Pleshette.
>>>> Trained birds, mechanical birds and animated birds make for
>>>> spectacular scenes of menace, and the vision of crows settling
>>>> silently on a school playground, one by one, will stay with you.
>>> Vertigo is by far the best.
>>> I don't think there is any disagreement on this among movie experts.
>>> Max
>> Surely there is...I hope.
>>
>> My favourites are Dial M, Vertigo, Birds and Rear Window...in that order.
>
> No Psycho, Notorious?

Fine films but not my favourites really. Can't have much more memorable
film than Psycho...in fact it's that much memorable that I skip it every
time it's up...not sure if that's a compliment or not.

Waiting KNIFE to tune in to this discussion.

--
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From: TT on 17 Jul 2010 00:50
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> On Jul 16, 5:33 pm, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [Wiki cut & paste deleted]
>
> It's not unusual for movies to be criticized first as entertainment,
> and years later as art. The initial evaluation by the popular press
> may focus on conventional storytelling attributes, such as the
> coherence of the plot, plausibility of the casting, effectiveness of
> the pacing, etc. The flaws identified by such reviews may be very real
> flaws -- from that particular point of view. But a great film, such as
> "Vertigo," will have compensating qualities that eventually overwhelm
> the flaws as the years go by, and the simple storytelling problems
> become less important to fans and critics alike. E.g., it turns out
> that the disturbing psychological mood is very powerful and rare, and
> thus important, whereas the flaws are more routine, and thus rather
> trivial in deep hindsight.

Yes, some films get glorified and their flaws are ignored due time. I
still think movies are entertainment, not art. Some films can be art,
but they're often not good entertainment and serve mainly egos of
director or film critics lost in the wilderness of self-importance.

I'm still touched by the consensus amongst critics on Citizen Kane.
From: Raja, The Great on 17 Jul 2010 01:02
On Jul 16, 11:50 pm, TT <n...(a)email.org> wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 5:33 pm, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > [Wiki cut & paste deleted]
>
> > It's not unusual for movies to be criticized first as entertainment,
> > and years later as art. The initial evaluation by the popular press
> > may focus on conventional storytelling attributes, such as the
> > coherence of the plot, plausibility of the casting, effectiveness of
> > the pacing, etc. The flaws identified by such reviews may be very real
> > flaws -- from that particular point of view. But a great film, such as
> > "Vertigo," will have compensating qualities that eventually overwhelm
> > the flaws as the years go by, and the simple storytelling problems
> > become less important to fans and critics alike. E.g., it turns out
> > that the disturbing psychological mood is very powerful and rare, and
> > thus important, whereas the flaws are more routine, and thus rather
> > trivial in deep hindsight.
>
> Yes, some films get glorified and their flaws are ignored due time. I
> still think movies are entertainment, not art. Some films can be art,
> but they're often not good entertainment and serve mainly egos of
> director or film critics lost in the wilderness of self-importance.
>
> I'm still touched by the consensus amongst critics on Citizen Kane.

I think an arty film which fails to entertain is no good (for example
- Artificial Intelligence). The reverse is not true, though. There can
be really entertaining movies with no art at all, and I find them good
(example The Naked Gun)

But the movies I most like are the entertaining movies which have
certain deal of artistry (for example - Laura)
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