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From: Nige on 9 Jun 2010 13:47
On Jun 9, 5:44 am, Robert Henderson <phi...(a)anywhere.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> As part of their World Cup build-up last night (8 June) BBC R5 devoted
> 90 minutes (8-9.30 pm) to debating the question  "Do you have to support
> England if you're English?" in what they called their Sporting Moral
> Maze.
>
> There was a panel of three: An Asian Matthew Syed, an Observer
> journalist Will Buckley and Prof Ellis Cashmore who has the glory of
> holding  the Chair of  Culture Media and Sport at that world renowned
> place of higher learning Staffordshire University.
>
>   I think we can all agree that is a pretty standard BBC panel for
> designed to ensure the "right" pc message gets across, with not a single
> unambiguously patriotic Englishman on it. Just to make absolutely sure
> the panel was chaired by a BBC staffer Eleanor Oldroyd.
>
> Buckley and Cashmoor  were extremely disturbed by the idea of English
> patriotism and spent the whole programme  saying how dangerous it was to
> allow the English to have what is allowed to every other people on
> earth, to show pride in their country for that could so easily slip from
> patriotism to nationalism, that favourite liberal bigot misuse of
> language because there is no difference between patriotism and
> nationalism.  Their hatred of the very idea of English patriotism drove
> them to say such things as "Being English means  supporting the underdog
> so I shall be happy to see an African side win"  and "The World Cup is a
> celebration of diversity and that is what is important not the winning"
> and "I can support the team which is most aesthetically pleasing".
>
> Syed was the propaganda trump card. Oldroyd introduced him as being
> wholly in favour of saying yes to the question "Do you have to support
> England if you're English?" Being Asian he inevitably kept commenting on
> his experiences of racism  but the really clever propaganda ploy was the
> fact that far from being in favour of English patriotism he was merely
> the vehicle for the increasingly used pc tactic of "managing" English
> national feeling by defining what patriotism is permitted within very
> narrow limits, the limits being in this case an "inclusive" patriotism
> which included everyone living in England.
>
> Phone calls from the public were dotted throughout the 90 minutes. I
> tried to get on but without success - the phone cut out with a message
> saying there was no one to answer after thirty seconds or so which
> suggests that they had lined up their callers before the programme
> started.
>
> I waited and waited or an authentic unambiguous English caller.  The
> first caller was suprise surprise a mixed race man of white and black
> parentage.  He wasn't supporting England.  There were several other
> ethnic minority callers. Then we had a white Chelsea supporter who is a
> regular on phone-ins who  invariably  pushes the club before country
> line. Any bets against  his phone number featuring in R5 journos' phone
> books?   He was followed by a white England supporter who had lived most
> of his adult life in Germany.
>
> Finally, around five minutes from the end an articulate white
> workingclass man got on the programme and asked why it was that the
> programme existed because no one but the English were ever asked to
> justify their patriotism. There was much spluttering by the panel who
> were getting much  the worst of things. At this point Oldroyd did what
> any BBC presenter worth their politically correct salt does in such
> situations, cut the caller off.
>
> Truly, a textbook example of BBC balance.  RH
>
> --
> Robert Henderson
> Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

As an Englishman I support England in international events. It is not
patriotism but a habit. If the intent is to subvert the meaning of
'patriotism', the BBC failed. Patriotism enters when one's country is
invaded not in football matches!

Nige
From: Robert Henderson on 9 Jun 2010 12:18
In message <ih6v0656d9ocmmor7th48p2vrra8ca6moo(a)4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard3(a)abelard.org> writes
>
>>I suppose as they need to spend their entire lives in a fantasy , ie,
>>pretending they are Scotch, they automatically filter out anything which
>>clashes with the fantasy. RH
>
>which is the more fantasy.

Oh dear, either its valve have been blowing left right and centre or its
owner is turning senile. The correct form should be "Which is the
greater fantasy"

...scotch or archers or footer

Note how its logic circuits are completely blow and pure GIGO is being
evacuated... RH
--
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
From: sutartsorric on 10 Jun 2010 05:51
On 9 June, 18:47, Nige <nigefoo...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 5:44 am, Robert Henderson <phi...(a)anywhere.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > As part of their World Cup build-up last night (8 June) BBC R5 devoted
> > 90 minutes (8-9.30 pm) to debating the question  "Do you have to support
> > England if you're English?" in what they called their Sporting Moral
> > Maze.
>
> > There was a panel of three: An Asian Matthew Syed, an Observer
> > journalist Will Buckley and Prof Ellis Cashmore who has the glory of
> > holding  the Chair of  Culture Media and Sport at that world renowned
> > place of higher learning Staffordshire University.
>
> >   I think we can all agree that is a pretty standard BBC panel for
> > designed to ensure the "right" pc message gets across, with not a single
> > unambiguously patriotic Englishman on it. Just to make absolutely sure
> > the panel was chaired by a BBC staffer Eleanor Oldroyd.
>
> > Buckley and Cashmoor  were extremely disturbed by the idea of English
> > patriotism and spent the whole programme  saying how dangerous it was to
> > allow the English to have what is allowed to every other people on
> > earth, to show pride in their country for that could so easily slip from
> > patriotism to nationalism, that favourite liberal bigot misuse of
> > language because there is no difference between patriotism and
> > nationalism.  Their hatred of the very idea of English patriotism drove
> > them to say such things as "Being English means  supporting the underdog
> > so I shall be happy to see an African side win"  and "The World Cup is a
> > celebration of diversity and that is what is important not the winning"
> > and "I can support the team which is most aesthetically pleasing".
>
> > Syed was the propaganda trump card. Oldroyd introduced him as being
> > wholly in favour of saying yes to the question "Do you have to support
> > England if you're English?" Being Asian he inevitably kept commenting on
> > his experiences of racism  but the really clever propaganda ploy was the
> > fact that far from being in favour of English patriotism he was merely
> > the vehicle for the increasingly used pc tactic of "managing" English
> > national feeling by defining what patriotism is permitted within very
> > narrow limits, the limits being in this case an "inclusive" patriotism
> > which included everyone living in England.
>
> > Phone calls from the public were dotted throughout the 90 minutes. I
> > tried to get on but without success - the phone cut out with a message
> > saying there was no one to answer after thirty seconds or so which
> > suggests that they had lined up their callers before the programme
> > started.
>
> > I waited and waited or an authentic unambiguous English caller.  The
> > first caller was suprise surprise a mixed race man of white and black
> > parentage.  He wasn't supporting England.  There were several other
> > ethnic minority callers. Then we had a white Chelsea supporter who is a
> > regular on phone-ins who  invariably  pushes the club before country
> > line. Any bets against  his phone number featuring in R5 journos' phone
> > books?   He was followed by a white England supporter who had lived most
> > of his adult life in Germany.
>
> > Finally, around five minutes from the end an articulate white
> > workingclass man got on the programme and asked why it was that the
> > programme existed because no one but the English were ever asked to
> > justify their patriotism. There was much spluttering by the panel who
> > were getting much  the worst of things. At this point Oldroyd did what
> > any BBC presenter worth their politically correct salt does in such
> > situations, cut the caller off.
>
> > Truly, a textbook example of BBC balance.  RH
>
> > --
> > Robert Henderson
> > Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
> As an Englishman I support England in international events. It is not
> patriotism but a habit. If the intent is to subvert the meaning of
> 'patriotism', the BBC failed. Patriotism enters when one's country is
> invaded not in football matches!
>
> Nige

Same here, but you have to remember that BBC Radio is infested with
Scotch people, so they have to dream up any kind of phoney debate in
order to obscure the fact that once again Scotchland failed miserably
in the qualifying tournament.
From: abelard on 10 Jun 2010 08:36
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:18:30 +0100, Robert Henderson
<philip(a)anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <ih6v0656d9ocmmor7th48p2vrra8ca6moo(a)4ax.com>, abelard
><abelard3(a)abelard.org> writes
>>
>>>I suppose as they need to spend their entire lives in a fantasy , ie,
>>>pretending they are Scotch, they automatically filter out anything which
>>>clashes with the fantasy. RH
>>
>>which is the more fantasy.
>
>Oh dear, either its valve have been blowing left right and centre or its
>owner is turning senile. The correct form should be "Which is the
>greater fantasy"
>
>..scotch or archers or footer
>
>Note how its logic circuits are completely blow and pure GIGO is being
>evacuated... RH

so, you are not able to handle degrees of fantasy...only on/off
fantasy...
someone should put a hat on you occasionally just to make you
feel relevant

perhaps you believe they are not fantasy...or maybe you believe
some are and some are not fantasy...
is a non fantasy a greater fantasy...or is a little fantasy a great
fantasy?
is the lesser fantasy still a great fantasy? or do you count on you
arms and are unable to reach 3?

we should be told

regards

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From: Robert Henderson on 10 Jun 2010 08:50
In message <kom116t0rr69kmtmlcvdhagipmt9034vg7(a)4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard3(a)abelard.org> writes
>On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:18:30 +0100, Robert Henderson
><philip(a)anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ih6v0656d9ocmmor7th48p2vrra8ca6moo(a)4ax.com>, abelard
>><abelard3(a)abelard.org> writes
>>>
>>>>I suppose as they need to spend their entire lives in a fantasy , ie,
>>>>pretending they are Scotch, they automatically filter out anything which
>>>>clashes with the fantasy. RH
>>>
>>>which is the more fantasy.
>>
>>Oh dear, either its valve have been blowing left right and centre or its
>>owner is turning senile. The correct form should be "Which is the
>>greater fantasy"
>>
>>..scotch or archers or footer
>>
>>Note how its logic circuits are completely blow and pure GIGO is being
>>evacuated... RH
>
>so, you are not able to handle degrees of fantasy...only on/off
> fantasy...
>someone should put a hat on you occasionally just to make you
> feel relevant
>
>perhaps you believe they are not fantasy...or maybe you believe
> some are and some are not fantasy...
>is a non fantasy a greater fantasy...or is a little fantasy a great
> fantasy?
>is the lesser fantasy still a great fantasy? or do you count on you
> arms and are unable to reach 3?
>
>we should be told
>
>regards
>

The GIGO becomes ever more embarrassing.... RH
--
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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