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From: Clément on 5 Jul 2010 09:21 "Bruce D. Scott" escreveu: > Futbolmetrix wrote: > : "Bruce D. Scott" wrote: > : > > : > (Technically the ARG match in 2006 was a draw as was the Italy one) > > : Erm... no. The 2006 German loss to Italy was definitely a loss. > > I thought they used the 90-minutes result when keeping records? > Otherwise all other draw results are skewed. No, the overtime is part of the game for these purposes. Only penalty shootouts do not affect the records. Abra�o, Luiz Mello
From: Sid on 5 Jul 2010 10:16 * Bob [2010-07-04 13:32] [rec.sport.soccer]: > Sven Mischkies wrote: >> Google Beta User <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Compared to who? They regularly produce top quality players. And with >>> two world cups, I think they deserve to be there with the Germany, >>> Italy, Brazil group. >> >> >> Argentina just like England averages QFs at WCs, not SFs like Germany >> or Brasil. But neither of the lists you posted below equates Argentina to England. I will quite easily admit (because it's true) that Brazil, Germany and Italy have been better than Argentina over the entirety of the World Cup. But, to me at least, it is equally evident that Argentina is ahead of England. Some additional colour. >> SF appearances (or eq.): >> 10 Brasil/Germany Brazil: 5W,2R,2,1 (50% W, 70%F) Germany: 3,4,3,1 (30%, 70%) NB: I have 11 SF for Germany, I am not sure what I am counting that you are not. (I am not including 2010 in this list and I think neither are you).i >> 8 Italy 4,2,1,1 (50%, 75%) >> 4 Argentina 2,2 (50%, 100%) >> 2 England 1,0,0,1 (50%, 50%) And to complete this list: 4 Uruguay 2,0,0,2 (50%, 50%) 5 France 1,1,2,1 (20%, 40%) > SF appearances post WW2 including 2010: > > 11 Germany > 9 Brazil > 6 Italy > 5 France > 3 Argentina > 3 Sweden > 3 ND Sid -- 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 remove the espam bits to mail
From: Sid on 5 Jul 2010 10:22 * Sid [2010-07-05 09:16] [rec.sport.soccer]: > * Bob [2010-07-04 13:32] [rec.sport.soccer]: >> Sven Mischkies wrote: >>> Google Beta User <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Compared to who? They regularly produce top quality players. And with >>>> two world cups, I think they deserve to be there with the Germany, >>>> Italy, Brazil group. >>> >>> >>> Argentina just like England averages QFs at WCs, not SFs like Germany >>> or Brasil. > > But neither of the lists you posted below equates Argentina to England. > I will quite easily admit (because it's true) that Brazil, Germany and > Italy have been better than Argentina over the entirety of the World > Cup. But, to me at least, it is equally evident that Argentina is > ahead of England. > > Some additional colour. > >>> SF appearances (or eq.): >>> 10 Brasil/Germany > > Brazil: 5W,2R,2,1 (50% W, 70%F) > Germany: 3,4,3,1 (30%, 70%) And on 11 SFs, Germany is 27% and 64%, but that's just being pedantic. > NB: I have 11 SF for Germany, I am not sure what I am counting that > you are not. (I am not including 2010 in this list and I think > neither are you).i Sid -- 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 remove the espam bits to mail
From: Werner Pichler on 5 Jul 2010 11:14 On 5 Jul., 14:52, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: > Werner Pichler (wpich...(a)gmail.com) wrote: > > : On 5 Jul., 04:51, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: > : > JGN (jagon...(a)gmail.com) wrote: > > : > : Argentina was 1 match away from not qualifying for this WC. > : > > : > Argentina were less than 10 minutes from not qualifying in Buenos Aires > : > in 1985, and then... =A0well I hope you know what heppened next. > : > > > : Not *directly* qualifying at least. They still would have > : been able to make it through the play-offs. > > Ah yes, minor point, but it was true for 2009/2010 as well. I don't > imagine they would have lost to Costa Rica. In 1985 who were they to > play? Australia? No, the runners-up from the other two South American groups. Ciao, Werner > > -- > ciao, > Bruce > > drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Bruce D. Scott on 5 Jul 2010 11:29
=?Windows-1252?Q?Cl=E9ment?= (lcmello.listas(a)terra.com.br) wrote: : "Bruce D. Scott" escreveu: : > Futbolmetrix wrote: : > : "Bruce D. Scott" wrote: : > : > : > : > (Technically the ARG match in 2006 was a draw as was the Italy one) : > : > : Erm... no. The 2006 German loss to Italy was definitely a loss. : > : > I thought they used the 90-minutes result when keeping records? : > Otherwise all other draw results are skewed. : No, the overtime is part of the game for these purposes. Only penalty : shootouts do not affect the records. OK -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ |