10 most hated football teams
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From: Diabolik on 26 Feb 2010 23:03 "higgs" <kenhiggs8(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8b958832-a206-4a53-bfee-9f4c0f701af1(a)z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com... On Feb 27, 6:11 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 26, 12:09 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Subject : 10 most hated football teams > > > From : hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net > > > >>> I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different > > >>> to > > >>> Chelski today. > > >> Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played > > >> brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are > > >> just > > >> one of many similar bores going around. > > > > > > > > > Let me correct this: > > > Except that the Milan of the 80's and early 90's used the money that > > > they didn't have in the first place better than Chelski. > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > Ciao, > > > Myth. Milan did not buy their way to titles in the 1980s and 1990s. > > Gullit was a World record transfer, for �6 million, back in 1987. Milan > > paid Ajax �1.5 million for Van Basten, they paid even less to sign > > Rijkaard from Sporting. The back four were already there. Donadoni and > > Ancelotti may have been low seven figure signings. Sacchi's built a > > relatively inexpensive side. Under Capello Milan started stockpiling > > talent but even then Papin aside they did so paying largely modest fees. > > > Far from being a Chelski Milan are an example for every major club. > > Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Desailly, Savicevic, Boban, Gattuso, Kaka' > > all under �10 million. Shevchenko �15 million, Thiago Silva �10 million, > > Pato �15 million. Sure there have been some expensive flops (Oliveira, > > Gilardino) but overall not even Wenger can boast a better record in the > > transfer market. Milan's scouting is second to none. > > I dont know much about Milan from that era but a quick peak at the > history of transfer records shows that they broke the world transfer > record three times from '87 to 92', including twice in '92 itself! > Gullit 6m 1987 > Papin 10m 1992 > Lentini 13m 1992 > Ah yes, but Benny isn't factoring in inflation. To him, 15m is less than 30m. Which of course it is. I paid 250k for a house in 1992. I couldn't get the same house for less than a mill nowadays. And as for the salaries AC paid....... > Even Chelsea cant hold a candle to that, it smells more like Real > Madrid of the '00s. > > AC basically bought anyone who was considered semi decent, even if > they had to spend most of their time on the bench. > And please dont insult Wenger by comparing Milan's spending habits to > his, he is unparalleled when it come to bargain hunting and developing > players.- > I thought Benny was against buying players and favoured the home grown > approach. > I can't speak for some of the lesser lights, but I do know that > Gullit, Van B, Savicevic, Papin, Boban and virtually every name > mentioned here were born and raised hundreds (if not thousands) of > miles from Milan and played for other clubs before securing lucrative > moves to AC. True, but that was a time when Serie A allowed only 3 foreigners per team. So the majority were Italian.
From: higgs on 26 Feb 2010 23:38 On Feb 27, 11:19 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote: > "Abubakr" <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:3e15ae90-4fb1-4caa-9a9b-ad1df3f2256a(a)v20g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) > wrote: > > > > > AC Milan early 90's > > > > No way. One of my hate teams. Basically bought their way to glory, > > > besides played closed rough cheat italian football IIRC. > > > I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to > > Chelski today. > > Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played > > brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are just > > one of many similar bores going around. > > Exactly! > > Sacchi was an unknown and Berlusconi had the balls to risk. > > Even so, they WON many CL's. > Two, maybe 3 if you count '94. And this at a time when they outspent everyone and there were no English clubs. > What did Inter and Chelsea do with the money? Did they win any CL's? > > Money alone isn't enough to win. It's much tougher these days, there's 3 English, 3 Italian and 2 Spanish clubs that throw money at the CL (plus half a dozen others who spend pretty big too). Money doesn't buy you success these days, but it was a pretty sure bet 20 years ago.
From: higgs on 26 Feb 2010 23:53 On Feb 27, 3:03 pm, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote: > "higgs" <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:8b958832-a206-4a53-bfee-9f4c0f701af1(a)z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 27, 6:11 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 12:09 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > > > > Subject : 10 most hated football teams > > > > From : hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net > > > > >>> I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different > > > >>> to > > > >>> Chelski today. > > > >> Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played > > > >> brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are > > > >> just > > > >> one of many similar bores going around. > > > > > Let me correct this: > > > > Except that the Milan of the 80's and early 90's used the money that > > > > they didn't have in the first place better than Chelski. > > > > > ;) > > > > > Ciao, > > > > Myth. Milan did not buy their way to titles in the 1980s and 1990s. > > > Gullit was a World record transfer, for 6 million, back in 1987. Milan > > > paid Ajax 1.5 million for Van Basten, they paid even less to sign > > > Rijkaard from Sporting. The back four were already there. Donadoni and > > > Ancelotti may have been low seven figure signings. Sacchi's built a > > > relatively inexpensive side. Under Capello Milan started stockpiling > > > talent but even then Papin aside they did so paying largely modest fees. > > > > Far from being a Chelski Milan are an example for every major club. > > > Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Desailly, Savicevic, Boban, Gattuso, Kaka' > > > all under 10 million. Shevchenko 15 million, Thiago Silva 10 million, > > > Pato 15 million. Sure there have been some expensive flops (Oliveira, > > > Gilardino) but overall not even Wenger can boast a better record in the > > > transfer market. Milan's scouting is second to none. > > > I dont know much about Milan from that era but a quick peak at the > > history of transfer records shows that they broke the world transfer > > record three times from '87 to 92', including twice in '92 itself! > > Gullit 6m 1987 > > Papin 10m 1992 > > Lentini 13m 1992 > > Ah yes, but Benny isn't factoring in inflation. > To him, 15m is less than 30m. Which of course it is. > I paid 250k for a house in 1992. I couldn't get the same house for > less than a mill nowadays. > > And as for the salaries AC paid....... > > > Even Chelsea cant hold a candle to that, it smells more like Real > > Madrid of the '00s. > > > AC basically bought anyone who was considered semi decent, even if > > they had to spend most of their time on the bench. > > And please dont insult Wenger by comparing Milan's spending habits to > > his, he is unparalleled when it come to bargain hunting and developing > > players.- > > I thought Benny was against buying players and favoured the home grown > > approach. > > I can't speak for some of the lesser lights, but I do know that > > Gullit, Van B, Savicevic, Papin, Boban and virtually every name > > mentioned here were born and raised hundreds (if not thousands) of > > miles from Milan and played for other clubs before securing lucrative > > moves to AC. > > True, but that was a time when Serie A allowed only 3 foreigners per team.. > I think that was a UEFA rule. All teams could only field 3 foreigners. Interesting that Benny talked about achievements of players in finals. It's worth noting that Dutch imports scored all the goals in the two finals of 89 & 90 and Savicevic & Dessaily scored in 94, though Massaro did too. > So the majority were Italian.- As it should have been. These days there are far more than 3 foreigners on their books (as there are for all the other top clubs)
From: Diabolik on 27 Feb 2010 01:13 "higgs" <kenhiggs8(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:56665ea6-0af0-49f0-9a73-ae5c5a1f2760(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Feb 27, 11:19 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote: > "Abubakr" <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:3e15ae90-4fb1-4caa-9a9b-ad1df3f2256a(a)v20g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) > wrote: > > > > > AC Milan early 90's > > > > No way. One of my hate teams. Basically bought their way to glory, > > > besides played closed rough cheat italian football IIRC. > > > I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to > > Chelski today. > > Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played > > brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are just > > one of many similar bores going around. > > Exactly! > > Sacchi was an unknown and Berlusconi had the balls to risk. > > Even so, they WON many CL's. > > Two, maybe 3 if you count '94. > And this at a time when they outspent everyone and there were no > English clubs. Chelsea and Inter have int he past few years too and they haven't won any. > What did Inter and Chelsea do with the money? Did they win any CL's? > > Money alone isn't enough to win. > It's much tougher these days, there's 3 English, 3 Italian and 2 > Spanish clubs that throw money at the CL (plus half a dozen others who > spend pretty big too). > Money doesn't buy you success these days, but it was a pretty sure bet > 20 years ago. Juve with the Agnelli family had all the money in the world too and still didn't win many CL's. They had *more* money than Milan. *Sacchi* was the difference in Europe with his innovative tactics, and Capello after him. He was unknown when Berlusconi hired him. Berlusconi was also the difference because he understood about soccer. Moratti will never be a winner because his football knowledge is poor.
From: Abubakr on 27 Feb 2010 01:37
On Feb 27, 1:14 am, Sven Mischkies <hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote: > On Feb 26, 12:46 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) > > wrote: > > > > > > AC Milan early 90's > > > > > No way. One of my hate teams. Basically bought their way to glory, > > > > besides played closed rough cheat italian football IIRC. > > > > I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to > > > Chelski today. > > > Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played > > brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are just > > one of many similar bores going around. > > Let me correct this: > Except that the Milan of the 80's and early 90's used the money that > they didn't have in the first place better than Chelski. Well Milan did become a prototype of the modern football club, highly commercialised, a global fanbase, big spending, rapacious and Berlusconi had everything to do with it that. And hated too, especially if you were a fan of Juve or Inter. But then they both ended up copy catting his methods on and off the field. It was his lobbying that made the Italian authorities change the foreigner rule from 3 in the entire squad to 3 in the match squad, so that he could not only hoard the most in form Italian players but the best on the continent too, and presented it as a fait accompli to UEFA, even before the Bosman ruling. That was in 92 and he had already bought Boban and three Dutchmen to whom he added Papin, Savicevic, Elber, and the Italians Lentini, De Napoli, Eranio. By the expense and standards of those times, this was every bit a big a spending spree as any in this decade, and he kept it up for a number of years. |