From: ken.overton on
On Feb 26, 4:55 am, hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies)
wrote:
> Instead they did what they could and
> pulled one upset after another, thanks to their great coach and their
> huge balls.

The probability that they were doped to the gills kind of shoots down
their underdog aura for me.
From: higgs on
On Feb 27, 6:11 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:09 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >  > Subject : 10 most hated football teams
> >  > From : hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net
>
> >  >>> I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to
> >  >>> Chelski today.
> >  >> Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played
> >  >> brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are just
> >  >> one of many similar bores going around.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Let me correct this:
> >  > Except that the Milan of the 80's and early 90's used the money that
> >  > they didn't have in the first place better than Chelski.
> >  >
> >  > ;)
> >  >
> >  > Ciao,
>
> > Myth. Milan did not buy their way to titles in the 1980s and 1990s.
> > Gullit was a World record transfer, for £6 million, back in 1987. Milan
> > paid Ajax £1.5 million for Van Basten, they paid even less to sign
> > Rijkaard from Sporting. The back four were already there. Donadoni and
> > Ancelotti may have been low seven figure signings. Sacchi's built a
> > relatively inexpensive side. Under Capello Milan started stockpiling
> > talent but even then Papin aside they did so paying largely modest fees..
>
> > Far from being a Chelski Milan are an example for every major club.
> > Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Desailly, Savicevic, Boban, Gattuso, Kaka'
> > all under €10 million. Shevchenko €15 million, Thiago Silva €10 million,
> > Pato €15 million. Sure there have been some expensive flops (Oliveira,
> > Gilardino) but overall not even Wenger can boast a better record in the
> > transfer market. Milan's scouting is second to none.
>
> I dont know much about Milan from that era but a quick peak at the
> history of transfer records shows that they broke the world transfer
> record three times from '87 to 92', including twice in '92 itself!
> Gullit 6m 1987
> Papin 10m 1992
> Lentini 13m 1992
>

Ah yes, but Benny isn't factoring in inflation.
To him, 15m is less than 30m. Which of course it is.
I paid 250k for a house in 1992. I couldn't get the same house for
less than a mill nowadays.

And as for the salaries AC paid.......

> Even Chelsea cant hold a candle to that, it smells more like Real
> Madrid of the '00s.
>

AC basically bought anyone who was considered semi decent, even if
they had to spend most of their time on the bench.

> And please dont insult Wenger by comparing Milan's spending habits to
> his, he is unparalleled when it come to bargain hunting and developing
> players.-

I thought Benny was against buying players and favoured the home grown
approach.
I can't speak for some of the lesser lights, but I do know that
Gullit, Van B, Savicevic, Papin, Boban and virtually every name
mentioned here were born and raised hundreds (if not thousands) of
miles from Milan and played for other clubs before securing lucrative
moves to AC.
From: MH on


Benny wrote:
> > Subject : 10 most hated football teams
> > From : MH <nospam(a)ucalgary.ca>
>
> > What about Chelsea post 2003 ? There is lots to dislike.
>
> Unless you support Arsenal, Liverpool or Manchester United why on Earth
> would ANYONE who follows the EPL have a problem with Chelsea?

Completely arbitrary rise to power due to money (from dubious sources
legally) from an outside force with no association with the club. Roman
could have decided to buy West Ham or Spurs; my reaction would have been
the same.

Add to that:
An obnoxious manager in Mourinho
An obnoxious squad of players including thugs like Ballack, Drogba,
Terry, Carvalho and other unlikeable players like Ashley Cole, Anelka,
Robben, etc.
A style of play that does not do justice to the amount of money they
have spent on players
Constant whining about everything; ugly incidents with refs.

As I said, there is lots to dislike. I don't support any of the three
other clubs you mention , but I would rather see any of them win instead
of Chelsea.


>
>

From: MH on


Benny wrote:
> > Subject : 10 most hated football teams
> > From : hsv83(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net
>
> >>> I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to
> >>> Chelski today.
> >> Except that the Milan of the late 80's and early 90's played
> >> brilliant, ground breaking, epoch making football and Chelski are just
> >> one of many similar bores going around.
> >
> >
> > Let me correct this:
> > Except that the Milan of the 80's and early 90's used the money that
> > they didn't have in the first place better than Chelski.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > Ciao,
>
> Myth. Milan did not buy their way to titles in the 1980s and 1990s.
> Gullit was a World record transfer, for �6 million, back in 1987. Milan
> paid Ajax �1.5 million for Van Basten, they paid even less to sign
> Rijkaard from Sporting. The back four were already there. Donadoni and
> Ancelotti may have been low seven figure signings. Sacchi's built a
> relatively inexpensive side. Under Capello Milan started stockpiling
> talent but even then Papin aside they did so paying largely modest fees.
>
> Far from being a Chelski Milan are an example for every major club.
> Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Desailly, Savicevic, Boban, Gattuso, Kaka'
> all under �10 million. Shevchenko �15 million, Thiago Silva �10 million,
> Pato �15 million. Sure there have been some expensive flops (Oliveira,
> Gilardino) but overall not even Wenger can boast a better record in the
> transfer market. Milan's scouting is second to none.

Luther Blissett, Joey Jordan and Mark Hately say hello.

Plus all the expensive flops (and there have been quite a few in the
striking department) suggest the scouting was not so hot after all.

>

From: Benny on
> Subject : 10 most hated football teams
> From : alkamista(a)hotmail.com

> I dont know much about Milan from that era but a quick peak at the
> history of transfer records shows that they broke the world transfer
> record three times from '87 to 92', including twice in '92 itself!
> Gullit 6m 1987
> Papin 10m 1992
> Lentini 13m 1992

That's right but other players were signed for a pittance i.e. Van
Basten, Rijkaard, Desailly, Savicevic and Boban which you have of course
continently left out and the Papin and Lentini signings were made after
a Milan side built for pennies had established itself as the best in the
World. The transfer record was broken three times in 1992, �10 million
Papin to Milan, �12 million for Vialli to Juventus then �13 million for
Lentini to Milan. Lentini never lived upto expectations and Papin was a
flop. The successful Milan sides of that era were not expensively built.
I imagine that Barca side that were whalloped in the 1994 European Cup
final cost a lot more to build than that Milan side.

> Even Chelsea cant hold a candle to that, it smells more like Real
> Madrid of the '00s.

It's nothing like Real Madrid. Real Madrid spend heavily year in year
out and had no rivals in monetary terms domestically. Milan made record
signings three times in five years the last of which was the Lentini
transfer way back in 1992. Inter, Juve and Lazio broke the record in the
early part of last decade before Real Madrid took over.

> And please dont insult Wenger by comparing Milan's spending habits to
> his, he is unparalleled when it come to bargain hunting and developing
> players.

Excuse me? How many Ballon D'or winners has Wenger developed? None.
There isn't a single player, not even Henry, who can hold a candle to
Van Basten or Savicevic or Shevchenko (at his peak) or Kaka'. In terms
of centre backs Wenger has a SHOCKING record and he's equally suspect in
his development of goalkeepers.


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