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From: FF on 6 Mar 2010 15:11 Sven Mischkies wrote: > FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > > > Life sucks. It's their job to produce good management, in the given > > pressure. Winning titles is supposed to be hard. > > It isn't with a sugar daddy. If the sugardaddy doesn't outspend the competition it is reasonably hard for them too. > > If so, why does he keep spending so > > much ? He probably wants to win a title in a few years. > > That's the suspicion many, many share. :) :-)) Looks like I saw through him from the distance. :-) > > > The idea to counter the monetary success of Bayern, ManU, Real, Barca > > > with sugar daddies only aggravates the problem for the rest. It makes > > > whole competitions a farce. > > > > If you had a league with 5 - 6 clubs at the top that can and do win > > titles, so that none of them dominates the others, spending similar > > money and doing good management, then I'd agree. And, of course, the > > league be competitive in Europe too. Seems to me that such a league > > doesn't exist. > > Not anymore, no. France was the last one. France were practically never competitive in Europe. And what they could produce was largely thanks to their sugardaddies, as you agreed yourself. > Btw: I do believe that it is possible to catch up with the likes of > Bayern and ManU - with consistently good work over a decade or so on and > off the pitch. Hamburg, Schalke, Dortmund, Hertha have the necessary > potential - but the latter 3 overspent and had to abort the project, > while HSV is still looking for a top class manager to convert off field > performance to on field performance. Financially we overtook Schalke > last season and were No. 2 behind Bayern. IOW, it is possible in theory but not so much in practice. ;-) It could be done if everybody just did their job right. Which unfortunately doesn't happen for a lot of lousy reasons. Anyway, good luck at finding the manager. > The same should be possible for Liverpool/Everton, Newcastle, Villa/Brum > and Arsenal/Chelski/Spurs/West Ham or Leeds in England (Well, Arsenal > did until 2005). of course the sugar daddies at Chelski and MCity now > make it next to impossible to catch up. Note how Arsenal's partial > decline follows after Chelski's sudden rise and the resulting inflated > wages and transfer sums. Yes, but the dominant force in the EPL remains ManU. > Similarly in Italy - the clubs from Rome and Florence should be able to > keep up with those from Turin and Milan in the long run. I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime they should worry about stopping loosing ground in Europe. Maybe also cleaning up their league a bit. > Spain is hopeless. Yes, it has been the most competitive top league in > the past decade, but the financial disparity is the largest, I think. Looks like they need a few sugardaddies from Germany, and quick. ;-)
From: Sven Mischkies on 6 Mar 2010 15:17 <REDDEVIL6(a)nospam.net> wrote: > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:51:26 +0000, hsv83(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven > Mischkies) wrote: > > > >> > >> If you had a league with 5 - 6 clubs at the top that can and do win > >> titles, so that none of them dominates the others, spending similar > >> money and doing good management, then I'd agree. And, of course, the > >> league be competitive in Europe too. Seems to me that such a league > >> doesn't exist. > > > > > >Not anymore, no. France was the last one. > > > >Btw: I do believe that it is possible to catch up with the likes of > >Bayern and ManU - with consistently good work over a decade or so on and > >off the pitch. > > Who is Manchester United's "sugar daddy"? Nobody said ManU had one? Ciao, SM -- http://www.gourockviews.co.uk I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously. Douglas Adams
From: FF on 6 Mar 2010 15:29 Sven Mischkies wrote: > FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > > > France were practically never competitive in Europe. And what they > > could produce was largely thanks to their sugardaddies, as you agreed > > yourself. > > France led the UEFA ranking in the first half of the 90s and were secure > 4th for much of the noughties. Doesn't matter much if they don't win the UCL. They did once in 93 IIRC and that's it. And I seem to recall a certain Tapie pulling the strings at OM at the time. Besides there was that scandal which IIRC had OM stripped of the title that got them in the UCL in the first place. Anyway, we don't want to get into the gory details but as I said France never were competitive in Europe, even Portugal fared better.
From: Mark on 7 Mar 2010 04:35 On Mar 6, 7:16 pm, FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > > If you had a league with 5 - 6 clubs at the top that can and do win > titles, so that none of them dominates the others, spending similar > money and doing good management, then I'd agree. And, of course, the > league be competitive in Europe too. Seems to me that such a league > doesn't exist. The Brazilian League exists. Of course Brazilian teams are competitive in South America rather than Europe (they usually beat the Europeans when they do play them though), and I'm not too sure about the 'doing good management' applying to Brazilian clubs. And just to make my point a bit more relevant to the conversation, MSI's investment in Corinthians springs to mind.
From: FF on 7 Mar 2010 06:10
Mark wrote: > On Mar 6, 7:16 pm, FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > > > > If you had a league with 5 - 6 clubs at the top that can and do win > > titles, so that none of them dominates the others, spending similar > > money and doing good management, then I'd agree. And, of course, the > > league be competitive in Europe too. Seems to me that such a league > > doesn't exist. > > The Brazilian League exists. Of course Brazilian teams are > competitive in South America rather than Europe (they usually beat the > Europeans when they do play them though), and I'm not too sure about > the 'doing good management' applying to Brazilian clubs. > And just to make my point a bit more relevant to the conversation, > MSI's investment in Corinthians springs to mind. Still not very relevant, as we were talking about Europe only. |