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From: Bruce D. Scott on 4 Mar 2010 13:50 anders t (anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com) wrote: : Quoting Sven Mischkies in rec.sport.soccer: : >anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote: : > : >> There : >> was also a discussion about the coach and his debatable history. : > : > : >I am listening. : I don't remember the details, I'm sorry, but it had to do with supposed : linkage to red-listed performance enhancing drugs, one way or the other. Third hand logic leap to a third hand source? -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: MH on 4 Mar 2010 13:54 FF wrote: > > Well, maybe, but those other clubs practically stand no chance of > winning trophies anyway, because of clubs from Bayern, Bremen, Hamburg > etc. Unless of course a sugardaddy comes their way too. > Bad examples. Hamburg have not won the BL since the 1980s (early 80s), in spite of having a larger city to draw on and a nice big stadium with good attendance. Bremen have won a few titles but are actually quite a small club, with lower attendances than the likes of Dortmund, Schalke, Stuttgart, K�ln, Moenchengladbach etc. Kaiserslautern (tiny city) have won championships more recently than Hamburg, K�ln, Schalke and Hertha Berlin. In Germany it is not just about being a big (or big city) club. The same is also true for France - PSG and Marseille, the two teams with the biggest attendances, do not dominate proceedings > >>>There's no such thing as an even competition in the first place. >> >>No. But better an uneven competition based on what you do, > > > It's not just based on what you do, that's the point. If it was it > would be even. > > >>Besides, if clubs work together they can even out competitions. > > > I strongly doubt it.
From: FF on 4 Mar 2010 14:32 MH wrote: > FF wrote: > > > > Well, maybe, but those other clubs practically stand no chance of > > winning trophies anyway, because of clubs from Bayern, Bremen, Hamburg > > etc. Unless of course a sugardaddy comes their way too. > > > Bad examples. Hamburg have not won the BL since the 1980s (early 80s), > in spite of having a larger city to draw on and a nice big stadium with > good attendance. > > Bremen have won a few titles but are actually quite a small club, with > lower attendances than the likes of Dortmund, Schalke, Stuttgart, K�ln, > Moenchengladbach etc. Maybe, but they're the only german clubs I know about. :-) Except for Borussia who won the Champs League in 97. Anyway, my point was that cities like Hoffenheim don't win titles. > Kaiserslautern (tiny city) have won championships more recently than > Hamburg, K�ln, Schalke and Hertha Berlin. So I guess they must have had a big sponsor. A sugardaddy. > In Germany it is not just about being a big (or big city) club. The > same is also true for France - PSG and Marseille, the two teams with the > biggest attendances, do not dominate proceedings No, but Lyon is a big enough city, as is Bordeaux. As a general rule I don't think you can deny what I'm saying. There may be exceptions, I don't know such details, but they are exceptions. And most of them probably have a sugardaddy behind them anyway.
From: Sven Mischkies on 4 Mar 2010 14:34 FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > FF wrote: > > Sven Mischkies wrote: > > > > > > Whereas it's wrong for somebody say > > > > from Hoffenheim to spend money he earned elsewhere so that his > > > > hometown club be able to compete against them ? I don't buy this. > > > > > > We have 3 teams in the Bundesliga who don't belong: Bayer, VW, Hopp. We > > > have dozens of other professional clubs that work hard and can't get > > > past them because these 3 have other sources of income. > > > > Well, maybe, but those other clubs practically stand no chance of > > winning trophies anyway, because of clubs from Bayern, Bremen, Hamburg > > etc. Unless of course a sugardaddy comes their way too. > > Besides, it's not that simple. How do you define a sugardaddy ? Somebody who gives mone in exchange for influence in the club. Ciao, SM -- http://www.gourockviews.co.uk I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously. Douglas Adams
From: Sven Mischkies on 4 Mar 2010 14:38
FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > MH wrote: > > FF wrote: > > > > > > Well, maybe, but those other clubs practically stand no chance of > > > winning trophies anyway, because of clubs from Bayern, Bremen, Hamburg > > > etc. Unless of course a sugardaddy comes their way too. > > > > > Bad examples. Hamburg have not won the BL since the 1980s (early 80s), > > in spite of having a larger city to draw on and a nice big stadium with > > good attendance. > > > > Bremen have won a few titles but are actually quite a small club, with > > lower attendances than the likes of Dortmund, Schalke, Stuttgart, K?ln, > > Moenchengladbach etc. > > Maybe, but they're the only german clubs I know about. :-) Except for > Borussia who won the Champs League in 97. Anyway, my point was that > cities like Hoffenheim don't win titles. Hoppenheim is not a city, it is a village. The nearest city is Mannheim, whose biggest club, Waldhof played in the Bundesliga 20 years ago but suffered from severe mismanagement since then. > > Kaiserslautern (tiny city) have won championships more recently than > > Hamburg, K?ln, Schalke and Hertha Berlin. > > So I guess they must have had a big sponsor. A sugardaddy. Of course they had not. They succeeded simply through good work. Ciao, SM -- http://www.gourockviews.co.uk I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously. Douglas Adams |