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From: Benny on 3 Mar 2010 18:55 > Subject : 10 most hated football teams > From : futbolmetrix(a)yahoo.com > Platini came for peanuts. Something like 250 million lire (as opposed to 15 > billion for Maradona two years later). Boniek was more expensive, but not > terribly so. And nor were Donadoni, Ancelotti or Galli. >> What a wonderful story. These players Milan were hoarding? Who would they >> be? Raduciou and Laudrup, who spent one year at the San Siro. Papin? An >> expensive flop who failed to replace Van Basten, who was done in 1992, and >> Gullit, who left a year later. > > That's exactly the meaning of hoarding. Milan in the 1990-1995 period spent > millions for players who ended up being expensive flops because they > couldn't win a regular spot on the starting 11. By the way, the greatest > example is Fernando De Napoli, who went from being a NT starter to a Serie C > player within two years (two years spent sitting in the San Siro luxury > box). Raduciou and Laudrup were gone a year later. Neither player was being chased by any of the top clubs in Italy and were clearly bench warmers. Hoarding is when you keep a Ferrari in the garage, not a FIAT. Fernando De Napoli? He was 28 when he joined Milan and no longer an international. The fact that he was playing in Serie C at 30 suggests no one else wanted him either. Milan's signing of Davids, Reiziger, Bogarde, Kluivert (all on free transfers) and a very young Vieira, that was hoarding but then that policy didn't work, that's when Milan stopped winning so who copied this fantastically successful hoarding policy? -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: Diabolik on 3 Mar 2010 19:08 "Futbolmetrix" <futbolmetrix(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hmmapq$ecm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > "Abubakr" <deltarasha(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:19e47c42-1590-4868-8fe5-924a309b94a7(a)t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > >> Yes that's pure Biaconeri propaganda. In the 90's they were spending >> like crazy but like Milan reverted to a more financially stable >> business plan early in the noughties. > > First of all, nobody can be victim of the Bianconeri propaganda, as nobody > can be a "victim" of the truth. lol > Pretty much, the history of the Serie A transfer wars can be summarized as > follows: > > 1970s-1985: Juve builds a winning machine by buying the best young Italian > prospects from satellite clubs (Atalanta, Como, Cremonese). Milan is a non > factor LOL. You mean Agnelli didn't spend any money? How much did Juve pay for Platini, Boniek, etc..in those years? Juve was the only team in Italy with loads of cash behind them. That is the truth. > 1986-1990: Berlusconi steps in, outspends everybody in Italy and abroad, > and builds a wunderteam (thanks also to the critical contribution of some > homegrown players: Baresi, Maldini, Evani, F. Galli, Costacurta). But the > other Italians (G. Galli, Ancelotti, Massaro, Donadoni) didn't come cheap. > In fact, the purchase of Donadoni is the emblem of the Berlusconi years. > He had already been promised to Juve, but Berlusconi stepped in with the > millions and the Atalanta and he went in the direction of Milanello. So what? Juve stepped in for many players, like Platini who was supposed to go to Inter Milan. It happens all the time. lol > Juve, in the meantime thinks that it can keep on doing business the old > way, and quickly fades away from title competition. Juve have always done business with the backup of the Agnelli cash. No other team could match them.
From: Diabolik on 3 Mar 2010 19:11 "Futbolmetrix" <futbolmetrix(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hmmnr6$edb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > "Benny" <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote in message > news:hmmehs$8ov$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> I guess you paid for Platini and Boniek with magic beans. > > Platini came for peanuts. Something like 250 million lire Yeah but he was supposed to go to Inter, until Agnelli intervened (as opposed to 15 > billion for Maradona two years later). Boniek was more expensive, but not > terribly so. > >> What a wonderful story. These players Milan were hoarding? Who would they >> be? Raduciou and Laudrup, who spent one year at the San Siro. Papin? An >> expensive flop who failed to replace Van Basten, who was done in 1992, >> and Gullit, who left a year later. > > That's exactly the meaning of hoarding. Milan in the 1990-1995 period > spent millions for players who ended up being expensive flops because they > couldn't win a regular spot on the starting 11. Can you list these expensive flops? Milan had two "titolare" teams, doesn't mean they were flops. > By the way, the greatest example is Fernando De Napoli, who went from > being a NT starter to a Serie C player within two years (two years spent > sitting in the San Siro luxury box). Milan bought De Napoli when his career was already in decline.
From: FF on 4 Mar 2010 06:38 FF wrote: > Sven Mischkies wrote: > > > > Whereas it's wrong for somebody say > > > from Hoffenheim to spend money he earned elsewhere so that his > > > hometown club be able to compete against them ? I don't buy this. > > > > We have 3 teams in the Bundesliga who don't belong: Bayer, VW, Hopp. We > > have dozens of other professional clubs that work hard and can't get > > past them because these 3 have other sources of income. > > Well, maybe, but those other clubs practically stand no chance of > winning trophies anyway, because of clubs from Bayern, Bremen, Hamburg > etc. Unless of course a sugardaddy comes their way too. Besides, it's not that simple. How do you define a sugardaddy ? Any sponsor is one ? This would mean doing away with money from commercials altogether. Not viable. Somebody who deliberately looses money in order to win titles ? But how can you tell, maybe he has a clever 10-year business plan after which he gets his money back with interest. And if in 10 years it becomes clear that the money is lost for good, what will you do, strip the team of all its titles ? But maybe he intended to make money but his plan didn't work, either because it was dumb or by bad luck. So we're of course going to go to justice, trying to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he didn't have a money-making intention in the first place. All this looks like a practical impossibility to me. In the real world all top teams have big sponsors and always will, and those with deeper pockets will have an advantage.
From: Bruce D. Scott on 4 Mar 2010 13:49
anders t (anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com) wrote: : I don't even _have_ to back my claim up. Feel free to join my belief, : Bruce, or just move on! : I am totally conviced the Greeks were juiced up, and very probably EPO:ed. : The people who know stuff about doping in the world gave quite convincing : arguments involving for instance a general notion in Greece that doping is : quite okay, of course not officially. _I_ didn't write it, nota bene. There : was also a discussion about the coach and his debatable history. And of : course the already mentioned mileage. You can feel free with those leaps of logic as long as you admit them. -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ |